Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Article 50 Should be implemented now.

Deal with the consequences instead of shilly shallying around the issue.

Footnote as to why Little Englander voted out. Hungary today being told what they can

and cant do with who strolls across there land. I am sure those in Budapest never

envisaged free movement being what they have have now. Sold an illusion like we all

were.

Fred ............

I think the result of the referendum represented general disillusionment and frustration and wanting to hold others responsible for their own problems...

I hold Blair and others responsible for the problems we face , i voted out because of mass immigration among other issues ,i want it stopped and yes i hold those politicians responsible .

Vic.

Perhaps he is listening to those he hopes are listening to him.

But like many on this board, more are interested in an immediate sound bite and satisfaction rather forward long-term planning and sensible development.

Like getting out of the EU, but without plans, contracts or deals of how to deal with the problems they are creating.

Loud mouths, shouting with little idea how to obtain their phantasy goals.

Independence from what, control by whom, better than what. WORDS.


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Dumbo.

At the present time, the UK economy benefits from immigration.

Does it need modification and some limitations? Probably, yes.

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But as the UK's economy falters as is thought, I would expect the UK to be less attractive to immigrants.

So exiting the EU, will fix that for everybody.

fred - to put it very simplistically, a good number are/were totally disillusioned with the way EU is now operated
the concept of an economic union was indeed sound, but this drive towards a federal Europe is totally unacceptable (to me) for all sorts of reasons

i know you disagree, as is your privilege, but i can see no way that anything fundamental would ever change had UK voted to remain within the confines

Whether anything can be achieved from outside remains to be seen, but at least UK will no longer be ruled by Brussels rather than by our own legislature

"I think the results of the referendum represented general disillusionment
and frustration and wanting to hold others responsible for their own problems,
rather than understanding the workings, aims, and benefits of being in the EU"

Please enlighten us all on these workings, aims, and benefits...And what are..
"hold others responsible for their own problems".....Who caused these problems
that we don't want to take responsibility for?..


Please give us THREE reasons why we should('ve) remain in the EU, because if
we had remained in the EU, then there would NOT have been any reforms, the
EU would've had no compunction to do so, in fact they would have gone cart'blance
on further integration...WILL YOU PRO-EU FANATICS GET THAT??...FOOLS!!

GB - you can't ask fred to answer a question and then give him certain responses that he mustn't use because you (rabidly) disagree!
and just because you are a rabid brexiter, it does not not mean that those who wished to remain were lacking in grey matter and powers of analysis and due consideration

indeed, your labelling of people being fools can apply equally to the rabids on either side

Yes he can cynic , why does Fred start every response to my posts with Dumbo ? i have a view does that make me a fool , in Fred's arrogant eyes it does .

can't help what fred calls you :-)

Fish Face !!!

Now children, this is getting like a Corbyn v Smith debate. :-)

Well at least i can give numerous reasons we should LEAVE, unlike the
remainers who can't give one, except to say 'more in hope' then reality,
that if we'd stayed in we could've drove reform from the inside..LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!...

Reminds me of a hungry man looking across a moat at a castle with its drawbridge up where a party is being held and wondering if he can swim across to the other side, and wondering to himself, whether they will hear him if he knocks on the walls.

But as he has done similar before, he also wonders whether they will find it too much bother and ignore him, especially when he was always grumbling at the rules hoping he could break their parties up.

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Patience he says to himself, with hope, I will go and eat in somebody else's garden.

They will either welcome or rob me.

Seeing as the UK import more from the EU then we export to them, its
them that's robbing us, and them that's gatecrashing our party!

very 1001 Nights fred

Great story Fred but we aint hungry but plenty at the party are.

No intentions of working and growing his own...


"Patience he says to himself, with hope, I will go and eat in somebody else's garden."

Take it by % of import and export for each country!

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Dil,

Why do we have food banks?

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Anyway, border folks feed off both sides of the borders.

There we go Fred we look after our own while the government is forced to subsidise half of Europe thanks to our EU membership.

And the chest pumping by the Irish PM about no special deal for the UK is laughable as he was the first one of the EU leaders to get the begging bowl out when we voted out as they would be hit hardest without a trade deal. What a clown.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37359196

EU state of the union: Juncker warns UK on single market
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Mr Juncker spoke out against attacks on Polish immigrants in Essex
EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has begun his first State of the Union address since the UK's unexpected vote to leave the bloc.

He warned the UK that access to the internal market relied on the free movement of people. There could be no "a la carte access", he said.
Mr Juncker is aiming to rally the 27 countries staying in the EU to the challenges of migration and security.
The EU was not "at risk" from Brexit, he insisted.

But splits had led to "galloping populism" and Europe had to be protected from them.
In a blunt criticism of recent attacks on immigrants in the UK, he said he would "never accept Polish workers being beaten up and harassed on the streets of Essex".

fair comment about the poles in essex, but what about the treatment of pieds noirs in france or other minorities in germany and elsewhere ...... known as deflection politics :-)