Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

f1n said; "What many of UKIP, English "Nationalists" and Marion Le Pen's National Front have in common is their wish to destroy, rather than build or construct something of value."

Wrong.

I wish to preserve the British way of life.

Having voted no in the first referendum and out the second, I am doing my bit, small as it is to preserve that.

I have never forgiven deGaule for his "Les Anglais; Non" speeches when we tried to join the Common Market back in the 60's.

The two vetos

A total ungrateful person.

Yet there he was during the war, being kept at our states expense at the Savoy, and then being allowed to lead his French troops from behind the advancing Allies during the liberation of Europe, and to liberate Paris as a symbolic gesture after the Allies had won the ground in front of them.

I suspect the French hatred of anything British is because the French have never forgiven us for not allowing our army to be captured at Dunkirk, and also for not throwing in our last fighter planes over France preceding that event.

If we had, there would be an EU under another name, but still dominated by Germany as we would not have had a Battle of Britain, and we, The British, would have had to capitulate alongside the Fall of France.

Never mind the waste of lives and twice bankrupting of this country in the last century to free them from Germany tyranny.

Never mind the overt attempt to bankrupt this country by it's continued memebrship of the EU at £358 million per day that we should spend on flooding the Channel Tunnel.

Goodbye to the East Anglian farmer who before the Brexit vote, moved the production of lettuce to Poland so he could use cheap labour well below the Living Wage.

So you see, my dislike of anything European is far from deep seated, I don't bear too much of a grudge do I?

FWIW that's my balanced view.

Je dit non et au revoir mon petit chou.

Well done poo bear for letting your feelings be known . Unfortunately a certain member on this board who frequently posts , sees himself as a sort of overlord has more prejudice in him than the people he endlessly torments . Good on you .

And now we are borrowing money from the French government and asking the Chinese to build "our" UK Nuclear Power Station.

Strange country.

C'est la vie.

Excitement, dear boy, excitement!

By the way, I thought the Americans and the commonwealth "helped" to win WW2.

In triplicate now .

Well said VIC , prejudice , that's Fred all over .

Far from relating to UKIP and English Nationalists, Fred's post 5304 perfectly describes the EU.
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My mistake...SHEEPISHLY EDITED....

5306
After several days of being straffed on the beaches of Dunkirk (without RAF intervention), Dad was taking off the beach in a collier. After the crossing in the hold, they all emerged covered in coal dust, to add to the general filth they had had to put up with, onto a blood stained deck. The great unwashed.

but phantasmagorical and other linked words of course

You learn something new everyday...Just looked up phantasy..phantasm..

Another victim of brexit.



JK Rowling sells her luxury yacht for £15m less than a year after buying it







By Telegraph Reporters
14 September 2016 • 12:51am




Harry Potter author JK Rowling is reportedly selling her luxury yacht for £7m less than she paid for it just eight months ago.

The 47m long vessel, called Amphitrite, is believed to have cost the writer £22m when she purchased it in January.




More liberal lefty heartbreak here:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/jk-rowling-sells-her-luxury-yacht-for-15m-less-than-a-year-after/

what a lovely vessel
however, it is not so much the purchase price of these as their ongoing upkeep

Do you mean the boat or the lady .

JKR airbrushes well, but the boat doesn't need it :-)

Cheap to rent boat when needed.

Cheap to rent one like this .

This one will cost you $265,000 per week ,if you want to go halves for a couple of weeks Haystack as long as you don't bring Fred ,i don't want to lower the tone .

That was my rational when I sold my boat that was moored at Windsor. The upkeep was hardly worth the time I was able to spend on it. Cheaper and more convenient to rent I thought. Since then I have never rented either. That particular whim has passed. Better to have a good friend with a boat