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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

In The Land of the B - 17 Jun 2011 16:36 - 5324 of 6906

and if they can't get to kill jews, then christians or hindus will "do"
of course this does NOT apply to the majority of muslims who just want to live in peace and prosper
it's the hate filled ones who are the problem - anti-semites like fahel and their ignorant blind fellow travellers like parrot and fred who lap up the propaganda like 30s and 40s Germans

In The Land of the B - 17 Jun 2011 16:39 - 5325 of 6906

and if they can't kill jews, christians, hindus or any old westerner, then they can always slaughter their fellow muslims, be they sunnis shi'ites alawites or whatever, all savagery and blood lust
remember that although pakistan is the source of much hatred it is also the country which has suffered most from islamo-fascism in terms of numbers of innocents slaughtered

Haystack - 17 Jun 2011 17:11 - 5326 of 6906

ITLOTB

LOL

You are outdoing yourself today.

In The Land of the B - 17 Jun 2011 17:15 - 5327 of 6906

well done, parrot
an original post from you
not a copy and paste
was it your first thought for the day, week, month, year, ever?

Fred1new - 17 Jun 2011 17:55 - 5328 of 6906

Hays and others,

What is the most important things for an "Arab" in the Middle East, to have a state, their own religion, their culture, a full belly, equality of "democratic" rights, and expectancy ithat if they go to sleep, that they will wake up, unmolested.

I ask the same questions of those of "Jewish" origin.

I have sat at the tables of Jews, Arabs, Asians and various of "groupings" and "felt" at ease and all present interested in the well being of all present.

Acceptance of an individual's wish and right to belong to any group, religious, cultural or racial seems perfectly acceptable to me, as long as they don't impend on my "personal" rights for the same.

Fred1new - 17 Jun 2011 18:19 - 5329 of 6906

Tanker,

You failed to answer the second question I posed in posting 5308.

That is your right, but does appear to be an avoidance.

"why do they strap bombs to there children .
simple question


I think, it is probable, that a large proportion of the children are coerced into their actions and believed that their action is "justifiable" and will bring to the "world" attention and remedy of what they see as the abuse of their "rights" of the groups they think they are representing.

Much like many of the "suicide" missions of the British SAS, or commandos (many young people, who seem to believed in "king and country" (indoctrinated into) as sufficient reasons for their actions.

While there were many prominent families which posted their children to the States to keep them out of harm's way.

Now "race" seems to me to have perfect a moral status, often they are perverted by personal greed, overt or covert.

cynic - 17 Jun 2011 19:31 - 5330 of 6906

you cannot equate children being brainwashed by their parents into carrying out horrendous acts with highly trained soldiers such as the SAS who have chosen their profession

Fred1new - 17 Jun 2011 19:38 - 5331 of 6906

Cynic,

I can and have done.

The "naivety" of children is not restricted to "them" alone! (correction)

The abuse is often that of the instigators of the perpetrated action.

(Synopsis.)

cynic - 17 Jun 2011 19:41 - 5332 of 6906

"shouldn't" then! ...... and a child is more innocent than naive, and a professional soldier is not de facto naive either!

Fred1new - 17 Jun 2011 21:56 - 5333 of 6906

Cynic,


You can't have met, or dealt with the soldiers I have.

Naivety was often the least of their "problems".

(Perhaps, if they weren't naive they wouldn't be soldiers.


Pinched from the Dictionary,

naive or nae (n-v, n) also naif or na (n-f, n)
adj.

1. Lacking worldly experience and understanding, especially:
a. Simple and guileless; artless: a child with a naive charm.

b. Unsuspecting or credulous: "Students, often bright but naive, bet and lose substantial sums of money on sporting events" (Tim Layden).

2. Showing or characterized by a lack of sophistication and critical judgment: "this extravagance of metaphors, with its naive bombast" (H.L. Mencken).


One who is artless, credulous, or uncritical.


==============


I should have welcomed you back from Rio.






But that is still under consideration.

In The Land of the B - 18 Jun 2011 00:33 - 5334 of 6906

And since when have trained soldiers strapped bombs to themselves loaded with nails and attacked civilians in markets (as in Iraq), tube trains as in London, bus queues as in Israel, girls' schools as in Afghanistan ?
And soldiers go to war for a variety of reasons, (though they actually usually fight for one another) but homicide bombers do it (as well as to kill their alleged enemies) to earn themselves 76 virgins in the hereafter !
Anyone who equates soldiers with homicide bombers attacking civilians is, frankly, sick in the head and their thought processes are so irrational they have no value.
I can guarantee freddiefewbrains will ignore this post.

Haystack - 18 Jun 2011 01:06 - 5335 of 6906

It is worth remembering that Israeli terrorists (right wing Zionists) bombed the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 91 injuring 46. More people were killed in that one bombing than any other bombiong incident during the subsequent Israeli-Arab conflict. The bulk of the casualties were Arab civilians. Several of the organisers of the bombing later had posts in various Israeli governments including a Prime Minister; Menachem Begin.

Proselenes - 18 Jun 2011 04:03 - 5336 of 6906

The stupidity of most humans in the world can be summarized as follows :


A - Who believes there is some man up there, invisible, floating in the sky, overlooking everything but doing nothing ? Someone called God ?

B - Who believes there is potential for life on other planets in the vast universe ? Aliens ?


Most of the world has been brainwashed with A, indoctrinated into children by their parents, peers, teachers and the whole "education" system - without so much as a single piece of proof.

Most of those in group A ridicule group B as people who believe in little green men.


Quite simply those in group A are complete nutters and brainwashed by the system, and it is probably 80% of the worlds population on one way, shape or form.

Until the people in group A are exterminated or convert into not being in group A, then the world will always be full of hate and war and murder in the name of the invisible little men floating in the clouds.

fahel - 18 Jun 2011 07:49 - 5337 of 6906

Dog sentenced to death by stoning

Rabbinical court rules spirit of secular lawyer who insulted judges 20 years ago transferred into wandering dog's body
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4082843,00.html

fahel - 18 Jun 2011 08:42 - 5338 of 6906

Jewish court sentences dog to death by stoning
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110617/od_afp/israeltrialreligionanimalsoffbeat_20110617180031

fahel - 18 Jun 2011 10:35 - 5339 of 6906

Israeli child-killer escapes jail

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1129829.stm

aldwickk - 18 Jun 2011 13:13 - 5340 of 6906

Proselenes

It all depends on what you define as God is it a religious being or a creating cosmic power/spirit because the universe / universes seem to be by design [ all the numbers have a patten ]. Can you tell me what was there before nothing ?

Haystack - 18 Jun 2011 15:07 - 5341 of 6906

The question of what was there before the universe is not a helpful one. The lack of an answer is more likely to be due current lack of understanding of what started it.

The numbers have a pattern because numbers are like that. Patterns of seeds in a sunflower head etc being Fibonacci numbers are purely because of the way that it grows. It is the same with fractals in leaf shapes etc. The numbers just describe the growing process and should treated as having special significance. I see no need for an intelligent hand in any of the universe.

You would also have to wonder at the purpose of 'God' creating the universe. Was he bored with all his toys? Why does he let awful things happen to people and children in particular? This all powerful, all knowing 'God' would be fully aware of the terrible consequences of giving people free will. That being the case, 'God' would be complicit in outcomes. The response I have had to that from religious people is the phrase "It is not for the pot to question the potter"; very convenient.

The standard answer in the Catholic catechism is as follows

1. Who made you?
God made me.

2. Why did God make you?
God made me to know him, love him and serve him in this world, and to be happy with him for ever in the next.

3. To whose image and likeness did God make you?
God made me to his own image and likeness.

If you want to read the rest (it only gets worse)

http://www.proecclesia.com/penny%20catechism/index.htm

I think it was a natural thing for early man to invent a being who was looking after him. When good things happened then he must have pleased this being and when bad things happened then he must have displeased the being and had been 'bad'. Of course it was difficult to know what was good or bad in relation to the being. This must have led to choosing people who's job it was to divine these things. In time 'priests' appeared. Of course, these priests had to justify their existence. Now we have a feedback system with the priests dreaming up more and more rituals and rules and reacting to crop failures, weather, disasters, and disease with more rules.
We are now a short hop skip and a jump from the present day and all the harm that religion does.

Fred1new - 18 Jun 2011 18:51 - 5342 of 6906

Or "good" those who have a "belief" have done or are doing,

The problem I have always had with "belief" in a "god" is that it is not self explaining.(Shortcut.)

ExecLine - 18 Jun 2011 19:43 - 5343 of 6906

The opposite to 'existence', I suppose, would be some kind of a 'void', a sort of total nothingness.

So, put quite simply:

Since 'existence' exists, then there cannot possibly be a 'creator God'.
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