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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

TANKER - 23 Jun 2011 10:22 - 5398 of 6906

its like white youths going to africa to dig water holes and the locals watch them sitting down

Haystack - 23 Jun 2011 11:05 - 5399 of 6906

Q: How many Israelis does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: Six--four to storm the room and take control of it, one to forcibly eject the old bulb, and another one to screw it in.

fahel - 23 Jun 2011 12:06 - 5400 of 6906

Alice Walker: Why I'm sailing to Gaza
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/06/21/alice.walker.gaza/

fahel - 23 Jun 2011 12:08 - 5401 of 6906

The Children of Gaza Speak
The Child Poets of Gaza
http://www.thehypertexts.com/Nakba%20Holocaust%20Palestinians%20Children%20of%20Gaza%20Speak.htm

TANKER - 23 Jun 2011 12:11 - 5402 of 6906

people like her are the . problem she wants to closer to home
and look at her own family

Haystack - 23 Jun 2011 12:13 - 5403 of 6906

The flotilla is a good thing as it isolates Israel even further.

fahel - 23 Jun 2011 12:17 - 5404 of 6906

Arab victim 'stabbed 10 times by haredim'

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4045047,00.html

TANKER - 23 Jun 2011 12:17 - 5405 of 6906

they must be for terrorists who sail on that boat .they are scum
headline seekers alice look closer to your family

TANKER - 23 Jun 2011 12:18 - 5406 of 6906

any british person helping those murderers should be in prison

fahel - 23 Jun 2011 12:20 - 5407 of 6906

Israeli Military Stop Christian Leader From Visiting Central Hebron
http://imemc.org/article/61518

In The Land of the B - 23 Jun 2011 12:24 - 5408 of 6906

you anti-semites are hysterical LOL

TANKER - 23 Jun 2011 12:24 - 5409 of 6906

you dont see these people going to help the syrians .they are being murdered and not a word from people like alice walker she is only doing it to sell her books .
it is a wonder you dont blame israel for that has well

Haystack - 23 Jun 2011 12:39 - 5410 of 6906

Not helping one group, doesn't stop you helping another group. After all, this thread is about Israel and Gaza.

fahel - 23 Jun 2011 12:41 - 5411 of 6906

Video: Richard Levy & Kathy Kelly Join US Activists to Sail to Gaza In Humanitarian Flotilla
http://english.pnn.ps/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10284

In The Land of the B - 23 Jun 2011 17:03 - 5412 of 6906

go and join them
instead of talk talk talk
try walk walk walk
LOL

Haystack - 24 Jun 2011 13:22 - 5413 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/a-moment-before-boarding-the-next-flotilla-1.369336

Why I, an American Jew, am joining the Gaza flotilla

Id rather use my influence and power, in concert with other members of American civil society, to actively and nonviolently resist policies I consider abominable.

You might wonder what would motivate a Jewish American college student to participate in what may be the most celebrated - and controversial - sea voyage of the 21st century, one that aims to nonviolently challenge U.S.-supported Israeli military power in the occupied territories. I simply cannot sit idle while my country aids and abets Israel's siege, occupation and repression of the Palestinians. I would rather use my personal influence and power, in concert with other members of American civil society, to actively and nonviolently resist policies that I consider abominable. So, next week, I and more than 30 other American civilians will be sailing on the U.S. ship the Audacity of Hope, to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

I am one of a growing number of young American Jews who are determined to shake off an assumed - and largely imposed - association with Israel. Prominent advocacy organizations, such as the American Jewish Committee, which proudly proclaim their unconditional support of Israel, for several years have been declaring their "serious concern" over the increasing "distancing" of young American Jews from the state.

But what Israel apologists like the AJC view as a crisis, I see as a positive development for American Jews, who, like other parts of U.S. society, are shifting from blind support for Israel to a more critical position that reflects opposition to our country's backing for Israel's policies.

If Israel's apologists in the U.S. are alarmed by a falling off in unconditional support for Israel, they should be even more concerned that such a diverse range of youth - especially young Jews - are joining up with constituencies that actively organize against America's role in the occupation. Today, the so-called crisis has expanded from the coasts to such places as Arizona. It probably was just a matter of time before a Jewish anti-occupation group emerged in my home state, given that a fairly substantial portion of the Students for Justice in Palestine chapter on the University of Arizona campus (in Tucson ) were Jewish. For our part, we Jews launched an initial chapter of Jewish Voice for Peace at the UA campus in spring 2010 - one of nearly 30 JVP chapters throughout the country, which has a mailing list of 100,000 - and thereafter branches in the general Tucson and Northern Arizona communities, and at Arizona State University, in Phoenix.

In Athens, as I write, waiting to board the Audacity of Hope, I am wearing a Star of David amulet around my neck, which was given to me the night before I left Arizona by a dear friend and fellow JVP organizer. She got it from a silversmith in Haifa while on a "Birthright" trip as an adolescent. For her, it had always been the reminder of the crude brainwashing she felt she had encountered on that trip. But when she came across the star recently, she decided it might be put to good use if I were to wear it on my journey. And so that's what I'm doing.

I wear it as a symbol of the basic values of Judaism that I feel are not emphasized sufficiently today: the imperative to welcome the stranger as you would want to be welcomed; and of helping to free the slave from a bondage that you would not wish to suffer.

As a consequence of various nonviolent actions undertaken all over the world, led crucially by Palestinians on the ground, the Israeli occupation will one day end. Those of us who face up to the unavoidable choice of either tolerating or resisting these crimes will determine how long the death and suffering of mainly Palestinian noncombatants continues, and how long a lasting peace in Palestine/Israel remains out of reach.

fahel - 25 Jun 2011 08:56 - 5414 of 6906

"Let Us Call On Israel To STOP SHOOTING CHILDREN!" Congressman Brian Baird

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noTojOAAC8M&feature=share

fahel - 25 Jun 2011 09:00 - 5415 of 6906

Passengers grabbed Israeli weapons to stop the killing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeUhwELoKWo&feature=related

fahel - 25 Jun 2011 11:26 - 5416 of 6906

President Jimmy Carter pounds israel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDKw0f95k7Q&feature=share

Haystack - 25 Jun 2011 19:42 - 5417 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/strenger-than-fiction/israel-is-tearing-apart-the-jewish-people-1.369341

Israel is tearing apart the Jewish people

Israel has never had a government that so blatantly violates the core values of liberal democracy, which dismisses identities of 85% of the world's Jewry.

In June last year, Peter Beinart published an article in the New York Review of Books that created quite a storm by pointing out the deep estrangement between the young generation of American Jews and Israel. A year later, it is time to take stock.

Unfortunately, the situation has only grown a lot worse. In my travels to Europe I speak to predominantly Jewish audiences, but also to non-Jews who care deeply about Israel. They voice their pain and anguish openly: They want to understand what has happened to Israel. They desperately want to stand by it, but they are, increasingly, at a loss of knowing how to do so.

Their questions are simple. They know that Israel is located in one of the world's most difficult neighborhoods; they have no illusions about the Iranian regime or Hezbollah; and they know the Hamas charter. But they don't understand how any of this is connected with Israel's settlement policies, the dispossession of Palestinian property in Jerusalem, and the utterly racist talk about the 'Judaization' of Jerusalem. They feel that they no longer have arguments, even words, to defend Israel.

Israel has never had a government that so blatantly violates the core values of liberal democracy. Never has a Knesset passed laws that are as manifestly racist as the current one. Israel has had foreign ministers who were unworldly and didn't know English; but it has never had a foreign minister whose only goal is to pander to his right-wing constituency by flaunting his disdain for international law and the idea of human rights with such relish.

Moreover, there has never been a government so totally oblivious of its relation to world Jewry. It passes laws that increase the Orthodox establishment's stranglehold on religious affairs and personal life - completely disregarding that 85 percent of world Jewry are not Orthodox - and simply dismissing their Jewish identities and their institutions. As a result, this majority of world Jewry feels Israel couldn't care less about its values and identity.

Israel's Orthodox establishment claims that by monopolizing conversion to Judaism and the laws of marriage, they are preventing a rift in the Jewish people. The exact opposite is true: It is Israel's turn toward racism that extends not only toward its Arab citizens, but toward Ethiopian youth not accepted into schools in Petah Tikva, toward Sephardic girls not allowed to study in Haredi schools in Immanuel, that most Jews in the world cannot stand for. It is the unholy coalition between nationalism and Orthodoxy that is tearing the Jewish people apart.

The overwhelming majority of American and European Jews are deeply committed to Universalist values, and have been so for most of their existence. This commitment is not a fad or an attempt to be fashionable and politically correct. It is the deeply felt conclusion the majority of world Jewry draws from Jewish history: After all that has happened to us, we Jews must never, ever allow violation of universal human rights.

This is why Jews in the U.S. have been central in the Civil Rights movement; this is why Jews in Europe will never forget that only Universalist liberals stood by Alfred Dreyfus in 1890s France. For most Jews of the world, it is simply unfathomable: How can we, who have suffered from racial and religious discrimination, use language and hold views that - as Israel Prize laureate and historian of fascism Zeev Sternhell argued - were last held in the Western world by the Franco regime?

For most of world Jewry, the idea of Yiddishkeit in the second half of the 20th century meant that Jews must never compromise on the equality of human beings before the law and the inviolability of their rights. So how can they stand by a state that continues to pay rabbis who argue that Jewish life has a sanctity that doesn't extend to gentiles, and that it is forbidden to rent property to Arabs?

In moments of despair, I try to remember that Israel's move to the right is driven by fear and confusion, ruthlessly fanned by politicians whose hold on power depends on the panic of Israel's citizens. I feel it can't be true that the country that was supposed not only to be the homeland of the Jews, but a moral beacon, is descending into such darkness. I try to remember that such times of darkness do not reflect on the human quality of a whole nation; that countries like Spain, Greece and Portugal emerged from dark times into the free world; that even though the winds of right-wing nationalism are sweeping over Israel, it is still a democracy.

Sometimes, along with the majority of Jews committed to liberal and Universalist values, I feel as if I were simply in a bad dream; that when I wake up, Herzl's vision of a Jewish state committed to the core values of liberalism will be the reality.



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