Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Ok Haystack thanks i'll give it a go .

Flippin hell how easy was that !!! i have been making thing complicated ...

A man who cannot win the ftse competition will not be able to work the above out. :-))

Wrong thread ? lol

You see great minds like mine DC can't do the easy things ..

The FLYB thread looks quite entertaining. I read it just now for the first time. It is a testament to the stupidity of some people

You mean the old one surely ...

ExecLine Go to ExecLine's website Send an email to ExecLine View ExecLine's profile - 30 Jan 2015 14:39 - 56115 of 56140

Hey, JimmyB:

Jimmy

You asked how to do this charting task and so I wasted my effing time telling you.

Then you go to the Bugs thread, probably once again lazily just using my link, and just ask Ian:

jimmy b Send an email to jimmy b View jimmy b's profile - 30 Jan 2015 14:09 - 55 of 56

Ian would you be so kind as to put a one year normal chart in the header of my excellent new FLYBE thread , thanks ...

You obviously can't be bothered to even give it a try.

You are an utter and complete twat!
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Excec you told me wrong you utter and complete twat !!

It was easy !!!
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Bollox, Jimmy.

this abuse virus must be an ebola mutant :-)

It seems ExcecLine got angry over nothing ,i thought he was joking .

Courtesy of freddie ferret @afn
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This is very good and well worth the read.



https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/alexis-tsipras-open-letter-to-the-german-people/


ALEXIS TSIPRAS: OPEN LETTER TO THE GERMAN PEOPLE

By John Ward January 30, 2015

Western media ignore Tsipras letter to German People

As the western media are studiously ignoring this, The Slog decides it deserves some oxygen



Most of you, dear [German] readers, will have formed a preconception of what this article is about before you actually read it. I am imploring you not to succumb to such preconceptions. Prejudice was never a good guide, especially during periods when an economic crisis reinforces stereotypes and breeds biggotry, nationalism, even violence.

In 2010, the Greek state ceased to be able to service its debt.

Unfortunately, European officials decided to pretend that this problem could be overcome by means of the largest loan in history on condition of fiscal austerity that would, with mathematical precision, shrink the national income from which both new and old loans must be paid. An insolvency problem was thus dealt with as if it were a case of illiquidity.

In other words, Europe adopted the tactics of the least reputable bankers who refuse to acknowledge bad loans, preferring to grant new ones to the insolvent entity so as to pretend that the original loan is performing while extending the bankruptcy into the future. Nothing more than common sense was required to see that the application of the ‘extend and pretend’ tactic would lead my country to a tragic state. That instead of Greece’s stabilization, Europe was creating the circumstances for a self-reinforcing crisis that undermines the foundations of Europe itself.

My party, and I personally, disagreed fiercely with the May 2010 loan agreement not because you, the citizens of Germany, did not give us enough money but because you gave us much, much more than you should have and our government accepted far, far more than it had a right to. Money that would, in any case, neither help the people of Greece (as it was being thrown into the black hole of an unsustainable debt) nor prevent the ballooning of Greek government debt, at great expense to the Greek and German taxpayer.

Indeed, even before a full year had gone by, from 2011 onwards, our predictions were confirmed. The combination of gigantic new loans and stringent government spending cuts that depressed incomes not only failed to rein the debt in but, also, punished the weakest of citizens turning people who had hitherto been living a measured, modest life into paupers and beggars, denying them above all else their dignity. The collapse of incomes pushed thousands of firms into bankruptcy boosting the oligopolistic power of surviving large firms. Thus, prices have been falling but more slowly than wages and salaries, pushing down overall demand for goods and services and crushing nominal incomes while debts continue their inexorable rise. In this setting, the deficit of hope accelerated uncontrollably and, before we knew it, the ‘serpent’s egg’ hatched – the result being neo-Nazis patrolling our neighbourhoods, spreading their message of hatred.

Despite the evident failure of the ‘extend and pretend’ logic, it is still being implemented to this day. The second Greek ‘bailout’, enacted in the Spring of 2012, added another huge loan on the weakened shoulders of the Greek taxpayers, “haircut” our social security funds, and financed a ruthless new cleptocracy.

Respected commentators have been referring of recent to Greece’s stabilization, even of signs of growth. Alas, ‘Greek-covery’ is but a mirage which we must put to rest as soon as possible. The recent modest rise of real GDP, to the tune of 0.7%, signals not the end of recession (as has been proclaimed) but, rather, its continuation. Think about it: The same official sources report, for the same quarter, an inflation rate of -1.80%, i.e. deflation. Which means that the 0.7% rise in real GDP was due to a negative growth rate of nominal GDP! In other words, all that happened is that prices declined faster than nominal national income. Not exactly a cause for proclaiming the end of six years of recession!

Allow me to submit to you that this sorry attempt to recruit a new version of ‘Greek statistics’, in order to declare the ongoing Greek crisis over, is an insult to all
Europeans who, at long last, deserve the truth about Greece and about Europe. So, let me be frank: Greece’s debt is currently unsustainable and will never be serviced, especially while Greece is being subjected to continuous fiscal waterboarding. The insistence in these dead-end policies, and in the denial of simple arithmetic, costs the German taxpayer dearly while, at once, condemning to a proud European nation to permanent indignity. What is even worse: In this manner, before long the Germans turn against the Greeks, the Greeks against the Germans and, unsurprisingly, the European Ideal suffers catastrophic losses.

Germany, and in particular the hard-working German workers, have nothing to fear from a SYRIZA victory. The opposite holds. Our task is not to confront our partners. It is not to secure larger loans or, equivalently, the right to higher deficits.
Our target is, rather, the country’s stabilization, balanced budgets and, of course, the end of the grand squeeze of the weaker Greek taxpayers in the context of a loan agreement that is simply unenforceable. We are committed to end ‘extend and pretend’ logic not against German citizens but with a view to the mutual
advantages for all Europeans.

Dear readers, I understand that, behind your ‘demand’ that our government fulfills all of its ‘contractual obligations’ hides the fear that, if you let us Greeks some breathing space, we shall return toour bad, old ways. I acknowledge this anxiety. However, let mesay that it was not SYRIZA that incubated the cleptocracy which today pretends to strive for ‘reforms’, as long as these ‘reforms’ do not affect their ill-gotten privileges. We are ready and willing to introduce major reforms for which we are now seeking a mandate to implement from the Greek electorate, naturally in collaboration with our European partners.

Our task is to bring about a European New Deal within which our people can breathe, create and live in dignity.

A great opportunity for Europe is about to be born in Greece. An opportunity Europe can ill afford to miss.

The new Greek government have said they won't talk to the troika of IMF, EU and banks. They want to speak directly to the leaders of the individual EU countries. Merkel, today, has replied that there will be no debt relief for Greece. That pretty much settles it. The EU is worried about the emerging anti austerity parties in Spain, Portugal, Ireland and Italy. They also want to be rid of the far left government in Greece. You can expect an explosive clash between Greece and the EU. Greece are due a major instalment of their bailout any day now. Will they get it?

"There has already been voluntary debt forgiveness by private creditors, banks have already slashed billions from Greece's debt," Mrs Merkel said.

"I do not envisage fresh debt cancellation."

ignore the public posturing .... the real work and negotiation is done behind the scenes

Tsipras has got Merkel by the short and curlys.

The debt is unpayable, theres simply too much of it.

By any normal reckoning, the land of €l Greco is bust, and all sides will have to see that more of the same simply wont do.


edit: Extend and pretend...100 year bonds have been mentioned.

the money in itself is a relatively minor issue
the important bit is how strong the will is to keep EU together and € as its currency

it then becomes a matter of bluff and poker and, for the outside world, yet more smoke and mirrors