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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

grannyboy - 12 Oct 2016 07:55 - 5618 of 12628

The great Brexit stitch up starts in earnest today, by ALL the establishment
parties, they are still under the illusion that we LEAVERS didn't know what
we were voting for...

cynic - 12 Oct 2016 08:36 - 5619 of 12628

you glibly assume that that everyone who voted "out" did so for exactly the same reasons as you ..... i am 100% certain that i for one did not

MaxK - 12 Oct 2016 08:38 - 5620 of 12628

170 in depth questions, plus all the rest. They'll talk it into oblivion.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/12/brexit-strategy-theresa-may-labour-jeremy-corbyn-pmqs-live/

Fred1new - 12 Oct 2016 08:49 - 5621 of 12628

Max.
One to cheer you up.

ExecLine - 12 Oct 2016 10:39 - 5622 of 12628

Just about my 90%'s worth of reason for voting out:

The EU is not democratic.

grannyboy - 12 Oct 2016 11:19 - 5623 of 12628

cynic 5620, 'glibly'?, I voted to LEAVE that undemocratic, unaccountable, anti-nation,
Big business, dictatorship, to regain the control of our borders and for sovereignty
to be returned to Westminster.

What was YOUR reason again?

mentor - 12 Oct 2016 11:38 - 5624 of 12628

You can talk and debate as much as you like but ........
"There will not be a vote on triggering Article 50."

UK's May offers lawmakers scrutiny of Brexit process, no Article 50 vote

LONDON, Oct 12 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May has agreed to demands for parliament to debate the government's plans to leave the European Union, but ruled out letting it vote on whether to trigger the formal Brexit procedure.

Late on Tuesday, May moved to appease some lawmakers in her ruling Conservative Party by allowing a motion proposed by the opposition Labour Party for a "full and transparent debate" on how the government will enact the public vote to leave the EU.

The move spurred sterling, which has fallen 18 percent against the dollar since the June referendum, with investors concerned Britain is heading for a so-called "hard Brexit", or a clean break from the bloc's lucrative single market of 500 million consumers in order to control immigration.

But May, under pressure from Labour and other lawmakers to offer them more than her catchphrase of "Brexit means Brexit", stopped short of promising a formal vote on her strategy before triggering Article 50 of the EU's Lisbon Treaty.

"We've always said that parliament has an important role to play, and the amendment reflects that," May's spokeswoman said on Wednesday morning.

"But we also believe this should be done in a way that respects the decision of the people of the UK when they voted to leave the EU on 23 June and does not undermine the negotiating position of the government."

"There will not be a vote on triggering Article 50."

Sterling trimmed some of its gains on Wednesday after that statement.

Appointed prime minister shortly after the referendum on EU membership, May has come under pressure to break with her policy of refusing to give a "running commentary" from not only opposition lawmakers but from members of her own party.

They say by refusing to debate her strategy May is undermining Britain's centuries-old democracy. The prime minister says she does not want to show her hand before starting some of the most complex negotiations London has ever undertaken.

"I and many others did not exercise our vote in the referendum so as to restore the sovereignty of this parliament only to see what we regarded as the tyranny of the European Union replaced by that of a government," Stephen Phillips, a Conservative lawmaker who voted to leave, told the Guardian newspaper.

INVESTORS JUMPY

The Labour lawmakers' motion called for a full debate on the government's plan to leave the EU and demanded the chamber be "able properly to scrutinise that plan for leaving the EU before Article 50 is invoked".

May accepted the motion with conditions via an amendment, under her name, posted on the parliament website. In it, the government said: "The process should be undertaken in such a way that respects the decision of the people of the UK when they voted to leave the EU."

Any scrutiny must "not undermine the negotiating position of the Government as negotiations are entered into which will take place after Article 50 has been triggered".

May has defended her "prerogative" to trigger the divorce without parliamentary approval and her government will defend that position at London's High Court on Thursday, when a legal challenge led by a pro-EU investment fund manager will begin.

The former interior minister has given little away on her negotiating strategy, signalling that she wanted to return sovereignty to Britain, reduce immigration but also have the best possible deal for businesses and trade.

Investors fear that with three leading Brexit campaigners among her closest advisers, May is taking Britain towards a "hard Brexit". On Tuesday, several top bankers said they could start moving staff abroad as early as next year if there was no clarity on access to the single market.

Trying to calm markets, May's aides say the prime minister has not ruled out winning access to the single market and sources close to her indicate that the government still has a long way to go before coming up with a clear stance.

"There are no leaks, because there is nothing to leak," an aide said last week

jimmy b - 12 Oct 2016 13:33 - 5625 of 12628

They just won't accept it will they , this is the arrogant type of politics we wanted to get rid of ..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3833496/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Whingeing-Contemptuous-Unpatriotic-Damn-Bremoaners-plot-subvert-British-people.html

Fred1new - 12 Oct 2016 13:49 - 5626 of 12628

Replace it with a dictatorship representing 37% (+or -) of the population

Much better to take what the reactionaries state as gospel.


Ummmmmh!

jimmy b - 12 Oct 2016 14:08 - 5627 of 12628

Shut up Fred ,no one's interested .

Fred1new - 12 Oct 2016 14:26 - 5628 of 12628

Dumbo,

Shan't!

Are you a big bully as well?

jimmy b - 12 Oct 2016 15:34 - 5629 of 12628

Dumbo, Bully , what next ,you Moron .

Fred1new - 12 Oct 2016 15:50 - 5630 of 12628

I will let you define yourself.

Haystack - 12 Oct 2016 21:34 - 5631 of 12628

Tesco withdraw brands including Marmite, PG Tips, Flora, Surf and Magnum from shelves amid Brexit price war

Just like Marmite, Brexit divides the nation - and now Brexit is said to be behind Marmite’s decline on Tesco’s virtual shelves.

The supermarket is understood to have pulled thousands of items from online sale in a row over who should bear the costs of the weakening pound.

Unilever is said to have halted deliveries to Tesco after the supermarket rejected their plans to raise prices by around 10pc, blaming the falling value of the pound against he euro and dollar

MaxK - 12 Oct 2016 23:01 - 5632 of 12628

Brexit again.

Is there anything it's not responsible for?


It must be true, Call Me Dave's pet mouthpiece says so.

jimmy b - 13 Oct 2016 08:02 - 5633 of 12628

FTSE to open amid ex-divs after US up, Asia down

StockMarketWire.com

London stocks are poised to open after a firmer Wall St and lower Asia, with a long list of equities expected to go ex-dividend today.

The market remains focused on sterling's weakness, which followed UK's non-binding referendum to quit the European Union.
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Note the sentence , non-binding referendum to quit the European Union !
What's wrong with these people ,get over it .

irlee57 - 13 Oct 2016 08:09 - 5634 of 12628

what part of the word LEAVE do they not understand.

Fred1new - 13 Oct 2016 08:19 - 5635 of 12628

The pain.

Some are just catching up!

cynic - 13 Oct 2016 08:42 - 5636 of 12628

an awful lot of you guys seem to have very simple and simplistic minds

jimmy b - 13 Oct 2016 08:53 - 5637 of 12628

Who are you referring to cynic you super brain ?
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