Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

i've got the gov't's "stay in" thing at home and i shall read it thoroughly

561 'ere leave me out of it. I'd like have it on record that H and me are just good friends, ha!ha!
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That should keep you busy for a couple of days!

i'm sure so .... i heard it's quite dense (as am i!), but should not be incomprehensible

as is inevitable, it will be very difficult to determine what is genuine fear and concern and what is just propaganda
that also applies to any "out" literature

It's not dense ,just a few pages of scare mongering including how by being in Europe we get better mobile roaming prices ,which will definitely change my mind

,i mean lets keep hundreds of thousands of unskilled east Europeans coming in and changing some of our market towns such as Boston etc in to Lithuania plus take our share of the middle East and African free loaders but it will cost me 20p a minute less to call home if i am in Brussels .
Now that's what i call a deal ,well done Dave .

btw, the ST article by trevor phillips made very interesting reading
i don't agree with much of what he wrote, but at least it was thought-provoking

Whats wrong with what he wrote ?

nothing wrong with it; i just don't entirely agree with the conclusions, or more to the point, the conclusions some of you choose to glean from it

i also think a poll of just 1081 people is a very low sample whatever he claims and however those numbers and results were then extrapolated (i think that's the right word)

To be fair i think he is in a better position to write that article and make the programme than we are .

Jimmy, on the subject of Lincolnshire, which isn't far from me, the workforce is made up of many Eastern European nationalities, all of whom will work hard, in difficult conditions for reasonably basic wages. The work is seasonal and apparently beneath the average British unskilled layabout. More and more the salad and vegetable industry is becoming automated, but it is still reasonably labour intensive, so thank goodness for .......well, at least somebody who is prepared to get his hands dirty and work hard.

Post 554, 'Confessions of an Insider' ....

express.co.uk/news/uk/659928/TRUTH-Europe-Politicians-MEP

HARRY ,sorry but all i hear is how our unskilled British layabouts don't want to work and that is just not true ,i know lots of young people who work hard and don't want to be out of a job.
Of course we have plenty of work shy but so do we have the same with immigrants .
I don't buy that argument .

i agree jimmy, but i am equally entitled to disagree with the conclusions that some of you here choose to glean from it, and also some of trevor phillips's
nevertheless, and as i said at the outset, it is at least thought-provoking and therefore important in that respect

HARRYCAT, there has ALWAYS been people coming from the
continent to work in the fields of the UK, even before all the
open doors, you even got British workers and particularly students
going abroad in the summer holidays to work in the kibutz of Israel etc.

As to the 'British unskilled layabout', there always has been layabouts
in EVERY society, its NOT just British disease, and the reason you don't
get that many 'British' working on the fields is because most of the jobs
are advertised abroad in the low pay countries of eastern europe.....

germany too has agricultural gastarbeite especially during the asparagus season

a few ago the authorities tried to tax these itinerant workers, so they refused to come
end result was that acres and acres - oh alright, hecatares and hectares - of asparagus never got to market

As stated many times before the evidence is that Low Wage, Longer Hours, little or no Pension Rip-off Britain was set up by the "Con"sevative Government in the 80's and largely maintained by "Tory" Blair in his tenure.. and the erosion has and is continuing now under this dreadful lot.

So as most of you lot on here voted for it election after election you can't complain.

However if you do want to have a chance of a change.. do stop voting for Right Wing Governments.

oh do shut up stan and stop just spouting party mantra

the referendum is far more important than just petty political sniping

Stan you voted for Blair your hero so don't start disowning him now.

Ho yes and i take it YOU are advocating to vote for a LEFT wing
government!!!..

It would'nt matter one way or the other what wing the government
of the day was, If there was a vote to remain in that corrupt,
undemocratic organisation in Brussels the RULES will come from there,
and the puppets in Westminster will carry their masters wishes out........

"....so they refused to come, end result was that acres and acres - oh alright, hecatares and hectares - of asparagus never got to market"..........Which kind of proves my point that the indigenous layabouts don't want to work hard for what the western Europeans call low wages.