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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

fahel - 26 Sep 2011 20:25 - 5742 of 6906

Palestinian State Opposed By U.S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3jeqN8ROkE&feature=related

Fred1new - 27 Sep 2011 12:14 - 5743 of 6906


Perhaps if any havent watch the recent dispatches they may like to view the last episode of Dispatches on Channel 4.

The Wonderful World of Tony Blair

The stench is obvious.

They may understand a little more the corruption of USA, Britain and Israel, in their dealings with the Palestinians and the ME.

Also the underlying reasons for the conflicts


http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-102/episode-1


Haystack - 07 Oct 2011 11:56 - 5744 of 6906

This worth a read. It is from an Israeli newspaper.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/the-settler-leader-who-led-israelis-to-disaster-1.388656

Fred1new - 07 Oct 2011 14:14 - 5745 of 6906


Hays,

An interesting, article.

Modified the last paragraph and wondered how many individuals it could be applied to?

He was an honest man, and he had a vision which actually managed to change the face of reality. But all of that merely strengthens the need to argue with his opinions and deeds. In Barbara Tuchman's famous book, "The March of Folly," there are several examples of historic decisions which changed the face of reality, but led people to disaster.

TANKER - 13 Oct 2011 14:53 - 5747 of 6906

hamas to deport 200 of the released prisoners .there own people being deported .
loverly country they do not want them and they are palestians

Haystack - 13 Oct 2011 15:00 - 5748 of 6906

Wrong as usual. It is a condition specified by Israel to allow the release of certain prisoners.

TANKER - 13 Oct 2011 15:34 - 5749 of 6906

yes you are correct

mnamreh - 13 Oct 2011 15:42 - 5750 of 6906

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TANKER - 13 Oct 2011 15:43 - 5751 of 6906

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) A Hamas official said Thursday that close to 200 of the 450 Palestinians to be freed in the first phase of a swap for a captured Israeli soldier will not be allowed to return to their homes in the West Bank, ...
All 3,214 related articles

mnamreh - 13 Oct 2011 15:44 - 5752 of 6906

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Haystack - 13 Oct 2011 16:04 - 5753 of 6906

Hamas have already said yesterday that they will be capturing a few more Israeli soldiers. It seems to be a reasonable strategy as Israel is holding about 11,000 Palestinian prisoners. The majority have no charges against them. They are just supporters of resistance against illegal occupation.

mnamreh - 13 Oct 2011 16:16 - 5754 of 6906

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Haystack - 13 Oct 2011 17:34 - 5755 of 6906

Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian lands. Of course there will be further violence. It is just a matter of time. It is unrealistic to think otherwise. Israel needs to withdraw from the West Bank and abandon all settlements. That won't be a solution but it would be a sensible start. Anthing short of that will see generations of conflict. Only two days ago several members of the Israeli parliament including government ministers declared all West Bank land as being Israeli land with the intention of occupying all of it. That is about as far as it is possible to get away from a peace agreement.

Netenyahu also wants to find a way to legalize the settlements already built on private Palestinian land.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-israel-move-to-legalize-west-bank-outposts-unhelpful-to-peace-efforts-1.389688

mnamreh - 14 Oct 2011 07:37 - 5756 of 6906

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Haystack - 14 Oct 2011 12:16 - 5757 of 6906

Unfortunately that is reality. Israel's right wing coalition wants to keep building settlements in the West Bank and Jerusalem more or less for ever. Only today the Israeli newspaper Haaretz published this article about plans for a huge new building program of 2,600 units creating a brand new Jewish neighbourhood in East Jerusalem, which is regarded as Palestinian. This is the first such building program since the 1990s.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-planning-thousands-of-new-homes-in-east-jerusalem-1.389784

You will not get even the slightest chance of peace until settlement stops and a promise given to remove exisiting occupation. Hamas, in particular, won't accept any Israeli settlement at all of the West Bank.

Palestine won't get a positive vote from the security council. Their best outcome is nine votes for and the US being forced to veto. That would isolate the US and Israel even further. They will then apply to the general assembly for statehood, which they should easily manage by a decent majority. That gives them legal access to the International Courts for war crimes etc against Israel for occupation, land seizure and himan rights violations. At that point you may well see a substantial rise in violence within the West Bank as the population attempts to force out the occupation.

The only scenario that avoids this path is for Israel to stop settlement. Netenyahu has elections looming and massive pressure from his right wing coalition partners who are even more hawkish then he is. He doesn't dare stop settlement. He is even looking at ways of making the illegal settlements retrospectively legal under Israeli law. That should be enough to indicate that his hands are tied.

mnamreh - 14 Oct 2011 12:25 - 5758 of 6906

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Haystack - 14 Oct 2011 14:08 - 5759 of 6906

Israel's long term aim appears to be that all of the area including the West Bank and Israel should be called Israel with Palestinians living there as they do in Israel (which is effectively as second class citizens). Hamas and many other Palestinian groups want all of the same combined area to be called Palestine with Israeli's living within it.

It is wrong to assume that Hamas or any other Palestinian group is anti-semetic. They have said many times that they are happy for Jews to live in a land called Palestine. When control of Gaza was handed back to Palestinians, Israel ordered all Israeli settlers and citizens to withdraw back to Israel. This was not a request from Hamas. Interestingly, a few months ago, Israel offered all Jews living in Tunisia the option of leaving and going to Israel. The Jewish community in Tunisia turned Israel down saying that they were perfectly happy in Tunisia.

The area is stuck in an impass. Obama and Netenyahu both have looming elections and cannot upset their backers. The Arab Spring and all that has brought and will bring with it could not have come at a worse time for either leader. Their hands are tied and their destinies set while the Palestinians are on the point of a major change in tactics and attitude. Israel over the last couple of years has managed to upset the international community in so many ways. The US is committed to support Israel like it or not and it seems that Obama in particular doesn't like it.

Haystack - 15 Oct 2011 21:04 - 5760 of 6906

Israels deputy foreign minister Danny Ayalon has said that his government would not halt building in occupied Jerusalem.

He said in a press statement on Saturday that building in Jerusalem is out of the discussion about construction or settlement expansion in the West Bank.

Israel will continue building in Jerusalem and all its suburbs now and in future, he added.

The Israeli government recently endorsed the building of a new suburb south of occupied Jerusalem that would isolate the city from the West Bank and would include the construction of 2610 housing units.

Fred1new - 18 Oct 2011 17:02 - 5761 of 6906

Does the liberation of 1000 Palestinians for 1 Israeli soldier have any relevance to the value the Israeli administration places on the individual value of human life. Especially in that of Arabs and Israeli.

Although the liberation of the prisoners is welcome, it also points out the arrogance and values of the present administration.


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