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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

cynic - 12 Apr 2016 13:35 - 580 of 12628

oh do shut up stan and stop just spouting party mantra

the referendum is far more important than just petty political sniping

jimmy b - 12 Apr 2016 13:36 - 581 of 12628

Stan you voted for Blair your hero so don't start disowning him now.

grannyboy - 12 Apr 2016 13:40 - 582 of 12628

Ho yes and i take it YOU are advocating to vote for a LEFT wing
government!!!..

It would'nt matter one way or the other what wing the government
of the day was, If there was a vote to remain in that corrupt,
undemocratic organisation in Brussels the RULES will come from there,
and the puppets in Westminster will carry their masters wishes out........

HARRYCAT - 12 Apr 2016 13:56 - 583 of 12628

"....so they refused to come, end result was that acres and acres - oh alright, hecatares and hectares - of asparagus never got to market"..........Which kind of proves my point that the indigenous layabouts don't want to work hard for what the western Europeans call low wages.

cynic - 12 Apr 2016 14:04 - 584 of 12628

certainly in 50/60s families, especially from east end and all around kent and essex used to go hop or fruit picking, and later in the year, potatoes

times,aspirations and living standards change

2517GEORGE - 12 Apr 2016 14:06 - 585 of 12628

What about the foreigners who work but are not paid by the firm that 'employ' them for 6 months, for this period the foreigner claims benefits, courtesy of the UK taxpayer. After 6 months the firm decides whether to continue with the employment on a paid basis or release the worker.
2517

cynic - 12 Apr 2016 14:12 - 586 of 12628

i don't understand the post george

Stan - 12 Apr 2016 14:17 - 587 of 12628

A typical abusive response rather then admit your wrong Alf, and others not big enough either to own up.. but that comes as no surprise.

jimmy b - 12 Apr 2016 14:25 - 588 of 12628

cynic a lot later than the 50/60's your well out of date , people were doing this recently .

cynic - 12 Apr 2016 14:26 - 589 of 12628

not for hops they weren't!
english hop farms are all but extinct i believe, and the harvesting is done almost exlcusively by machine

jimmy b - 12 Apr 2016 14:46 - 590 of 12628

No, fruit picking in the fields .

VICTIM - 12 Apr 2016 14:55 - 591 of 12628

Just remember that Court case , where 107 eastern europeans were housed in an old factory , one toilet . The only way it was stopped was because neighbours complained . The owner and landlord was found guilty of something , but the court stated that he was paid I think £ 32,000 per month to house these people . they went back to their homeland after being looked after by local council . So that's how much it costs to just house them .

VICTIM - 12 Apr 2016 15:05 - 592 of 12628

From that what gets me is that if these were our lazy lot ( not my thoughts ) would the government pay the lodgings for them to do this work and travel around Britain , I very much doubt it , but why so willing and easy to give it to foreign workers . Am I wrong .

VICTIM - 12 Apr 2016 16:02 - 593 of 12628

So basically we the taxpayer are paying people to come hear and stay and the farmers get the profits but the taxpayer pays to keep them , and then buy the produce .

Fred1new - 12 Apr 2016 16:19 - 594 of 12628

I can't understand why we got rid of the Workhouses.

The cons could win the next election if they brought them back.

Perhaps, introducing the birch or cat-o-nine tails for any who were too lazy through illness to work.,

Also, expanding the numbers of paupers' graves.

There is a business idea for Granny, Vicky and JB. The latter could provide the muscle.

Good old fashioned victorian standards for everybody except for those who have a little who avoid their responsibilities.


VICTIM - 12 Apr 2016 16:24 - 595 of 12628

Boy your a weird one Freda .

VICTIM - 12 Apr 2016 16:29 - 596 of 12628

I'd just like to know Freda , do you have more money going out of your household than you have coming in . How long would you last if so .

Stan - 12 Apr 2016 16:44 - 597 of 12628

"VICTIM - 12 Apr 2016 16:02 - 593 of 596

So basically we the taxpayer are paying people to come hear and stay and the farmers get the profits but the taxpayer pays to keep them , and then buy the produce ."

My word.. I think he's got it -):

Fred1new - 12 Apr 2016 19:11 - 598 of 12628

Vicky,




I am not advocating raising National debt without adequate reason, but if the debt "can be" used to stimulate the economy then "sometimes" it is sensible.

But debt has increased under the tories over the last 6 years.

They have had 6 years to remedy the situation.

Some of the debt was ongoing from the previous administration prior to the Labour period in government.

But the con party of to-day is utilising the "debt" as an excuse for its failing economic politically based policies and advantaging the already "wealthy" a the expense of the more inadequate in society.

I don't believe in waste or squandering of resources or short term policies for political or personal gain political or otherwise.

To me, the present government is managing the economy to enable it to attack the welfare and social system of the country for personal reasons.

But there are probably hidden consequences to decimating those services.

That is not to think that there are no reforms which should be made within the UK and EU.

In a dynamic organisations rules change according to circumstances.

But changes should evolve not occur as a result of revolution.

grannyboy - 12 Apr 2016 20:10 - 599 of 12628

Of course debt has increased, There's 12 BILLION pounds to
be borrowed for funding oversea's aid...Then there's all the
immigrants that needs benefits and housing, then there's the extra
burden on the NHS and Doctors surgeries, not forgetting the infrastructure...

Then of course there's 19.5 BILLION pounds a year to find for the privilege of
being a member of a dictatorship....

SO SORRY, AS WHEN A MEMBER OF THE LABOUR PARTY SAID WHEN THEY WERE FORCED OUT OF OFFICE.....THERE'S NO MONEY LEFT!!!!...
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