Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

cynic a lot later than the 50/60's your well out of date , people were doing this recently .

not for hops they weren't!
english hop farms are all but extinct i believe, and the harvesting is done almost exlcusively by machine

No, fruit picking in the fields .

Just remember that Court case , where 107 eastern europeans were housed in an old factory , one toilet . The only way it was stopped was because neighbours complained . The owner and landlord was found guilty of something , but the court stated that he was paid I think £ 32,000 per month to house these people . they went back to their homeland after being looked after by local council . So that's how much it costs to just house them .

From that what gets me is that if these were our lazy lot ( not my thoughts ) would the government pay the lodgings for them to do this work and travel around Britain , I very much doubt it , but why so willing and easy to give it to foreign workers . Am I wrong .

So basically we the taxpayer are paying people to come hear and stay and the farmers get the profits but the taxpayer pays to keep them , and then buy the produce .

I can't understand why we got rid of the Workhouses.

The cons could win the next election if they brought them back.

Perhaps, introducing the birch or cat-o-nine tails for any who were too lazy through illness to work.,

Also, expanding the numbers of paupers' graves.

There is a business idea for Granny, Vicky and JB. The latter could provide the muscle.

Good old fashioned victorian standards for everybody except for those who have a little who avoid their responsibilities.

Boy your a weird one Freda .

I'd just like to know Freda , do you have more money going out of your household than you have coming in . How long would you last if so .

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So basically we the taxpayer are paying people to come hear and stay and the farmers get the profits but the taxpayer pays to keep them , and then buy the produce ."

My word.. I think he's got it -):

Vicky,




I am not advocating raising National debt without adequate reason, but if the debt "can be" used to stimulate the economy then "sometimes" it is sensible.

But debt has increased under the tories over the last 6 years.

They have had 6 years to remedy the situation.

Some of the debt was ongoing from the previous administration prior to the Labour period in government.

But the con party of to-day is utilising the "debt" as an excuse for its failing economic politically based policies and advantaging the already "wealthy" a the expense of the more inadequate in society.

I don't believe in waste or squandering of resources or short term policies for political or personal gain political or otherwise.

To me, the present government is managing the economy to enable it to attack the welfare and social system of the country for personal reasons.

But there are probably hidden consequences to decimating those services.

That is not to think that there are no reforms which should be made within the UK and EU.

In a dynamic organisations rules change according to circumstances.

But changes should evolve not occur as a result of revolution.

Of course debt has increased, There's 12 BILLION pounds to
be borrowed for funding oversea's aid...Then there's all the
immigrants that needs benefits and housing, then there's the extra
burden on the NHS and Doctors surgeries, not forgetting the infrastructure...

Then of course there's 19.5 BILLION pounds a year to find for the privilege of
being a member of a dictatorship....

SO SORRY, AS WHEN A MEMBER OF THE LABOUR PARTY SAID WHEN THEY WERE FORCED OUT OF OFFICE.....THERE'S NO MONEY LEFT!!!!...

The IMF has took it upon themselves to inform us that the world will
come to a standstill, and commerce will disintegrate if the UK were to leave
the EU.

Really when these organisations are given air time to vent their opinion
then there should be someone who has an alternate view sitting opposite
them to give a balanced view, and that would include the public being
informed that the present leaders of the IMF Christine Lagarde was a former
French minister and a europhile and the second in command is David Lipton
who used to be a special adviser in the White House..

Which seems coincidental that Obama is expected to have his penny's worth
when he arrives in europe next week, almost in a concerted ploy in pushing
the 'so called' threats of a LEAVE vote....

Its all highly speculative and fear driven, in their hopes that some of the scaremongering sticks...

"THERE'S NO MONEY LEFT"

That was a copy of the note left by Reg Maudling to the labour chancellor in 1964 to the incoming government.(Check his history.)

At the time, it was treated as gallows humour, but later the "cons" couldn't appreciate the humour.


Suggest you check your history.

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I think I would prefer to trust the opinion of IMF than that of the "little Englanders".

You can always tell a recent addition to the 'British' way of life,
as in fred1's case his father being allowed to come to this country
after WW2 and dipping his wick in a naive young British lass and with
the resultant birth of an arrogant English hater, who is quick to
accuse anyone who is patriotic and does not want to be ruled by an
unelected entity is a little Englander...

It was only last year when foreign students at university was wanting
to have the statues of Cecil Rhodes torn from the ramparts
of their university....

Hey thicko fred1..I've checked my history.....

Guess what???...YOU are one dopey fricker.....LMFAO!!!!


On leaving office in 2010 Liam Byrne left a note saying there was no money left..

theguardian.com/politics/2010/may/17/liam-byrne-note-successor

Freda I think you should move to Disney World it's make believe just up your street .

Vicky,

I wouldn't want to visit you at your home.

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Granny,

As I said check your history.

I think you were referring to my father-in-law.

My father was black.

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AND!

Exactly AND , after all these years you feel the need to reveal your parentage why .