Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

As i have said he just opposes everything on here for fun , he's not worth the time .

I don't understand why you continue to give Fred the time of day.
If you think we have problems in herding our lot in one direction, just wait until the EU tries to get a consensus from the remaining 27. The froggie said yesterday 6 months. More like never. There should be one plan only - a clean break and if we end up with some pleasant surprises take them as bonuses.

I'm with you iturama. What's the point in laying out a plan when the EU mouth pieces are already saying we are getting no concessions on the single market.

Just leave and let them explain to their own exporters why they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

Still have a few aces up our sleeve when it comes to defence , security and intelligence not to mention fishing rights so let them shoot themselves in the foot.

I'm expecting nothing from them so anything we get is a plus.

I agree ,also because i think there is more shock to come to the EU next year ,they just won't admit there is a problem .

Italian bank Monte Del Paschi shares rise on bailout hopes, I thought the bailing out of banks was prohibited in the Eurozone. Bet the Greeks won't be too happy if it goes ahead.
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Banks Euro - who cares?, we're better off out of this Euro-mess. There are too many drawing money out and too few propping it up.
As to Parliament's lackeys wanting "full details" they are bonking mad - until Art50 is triggered Euro negotiators will keep the hard-line . . . they won't want to weaken their position- why should they?
Our position can't be stated until several days into negotiation ( behind closed doors, for similar reasons). If 28 countries can't agree about anything, what makes the Remoaners think their stance is made perfect, whatever PM says is "our position" ?
However, it would be nice to think somewhere there're Knights waiting in the wings on white horses, who will come to the fore, just before the Negos start and cut a swathe through those Eurocrats.
They can practice their skills on the quaysides of Dover and then onto Parliament Green. The fallen Remoaners.... would never be missed.

Interesting comment from Bank chief... re Robots.
- If Robots steal our jobs.... Why do we need so many breeding-age imported folks?

No, I don't get that either.

If robots steal the jobs .. who will have the money to buy wot the robots make?


Will the robots pay tax to fund all the peeps on de dole?

Some stuff you wont read in the mainstream press:




France: Decomposing In Front Of Our Eyes


by Tyler Durden

Dec 7, 2016 12:35 PM


Submitted by Yves Mamou via The Gatestone Institute,


Ã�Ã�Ã�Ã�ÃâÃ�Ã�Ã�Ã�ÃæFour officers were injured (two badly burned) when around 15 "youths" (Muslim gang-members) swarmed their cars and hurled rocks and firebombs at them. Police were aggrieved when the minister of interior called the attackers "little wild ones." Police and opposition politicians replied that the attackers were not "little wild ones but criminals who attacked police to kill."


Ã�Ã�Ã�Ã�ÃâÃ�Ã�Ã�Ã�ÃæTwo students at a vocational training school in Calais attacked a teacher, and one fractured the teacher's jaw and several teeth -- because the teacher had asked one of the students to get back to work.
Ã�Ã�Ã�Ã�ÃâÃ�Ã�Ã�Ã�Ãæ"This is a warning. These young people did not attack the school by chance; they wanted to attack the institution, to attack the State." Ã�Ã�Ã�Ã�Ãâ Yacine, 21, a student at the University of Paris II.


Ã�Ã�Ã�Ã�ÃâÃ�Ã�Ã�Ã�ÃæThe riot, which lasted for four nights, broke out after the arrest of a driver who did not stop when asked to by a policeman.


Ã�Ã�Ã�Ã�ÃâÃ�Ã�Ã�Ã�ÃæThis revolt of one pillar of French society, the police, was the biggest that ever happened in modern France. Yet, virtually no one in France's mainstream media covered the event.


Ã�Ã�Ã�Ã�ÃâÃ�Ã�Ã�Ã�Ãæ"Everything that represents state institutions (...) is now subjected to violence based on essentially sectarian and sometimes ethnic excesses, fueled by an incredible hatred of our country. We must be blind or unconscious not to feel concern for national cohesion". Ã�Ã�Ã�Ã�Ãâ Thibaud de Montbrial, lawyer and expert on terrorism.




What is reality in France today?

Violence. It is spreading. Not just terrorist attacks; pure gang violence. It instills a growing feeling of insecurity in hospitals, at schools, in the streets -- even in the police. The media does not dare to say that this violence is coming mainly from Muslim gangs -- "youths," as they call the in the French media, to avoid naming who they are. A climate of civil war, however, is spreading visibly in the police, schools, hospitals and politics.



Very uncomfortable reading


Full story here:
<a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-07/france-decomposing-front-our-eyes">http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-07/france-decomposing-front-our-eyes</a>

Would you believe it still covering up and keeping it from their very own citizens shocking EU .

I'm hearing somewhere Merkel is banning the Bhurka . is she fearing being booted out .

A ban "wherever legally possible". Always caveats.

Whatever is going on out there whether it be France or any other country , the leaders and security forces should be well aware of it and it's perpetrators . If they think it's just a youth thing then they will find out soon enough . With ISIS seemingly being defeated in Syria it will continue all over Europe in a more urban fighting thing I think there are bad times ahead .

Niall Ferguson admits he was wrong ....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4006324/I-wrong-Brexit-Britain-s-influential-historian-Niall-Ferguson-says-mistake-backing-Remain-campaign-says-EU-deserved-result.html

Well at least he follows up and admits it , as for many on some BBs they just carry on ignoring the obvious and because voted remain will not be moved preferring to belittle us sensible outers .

Not that his opinion matters much but what Ferguson is admitting now was blindingly obvious to more than half the electorate beforehand. Cameron's "concessions" were seen for what they were. Worthless spin.
The Euro benefits one country only - Germany. No wonder that Merkel is so determined to keep the mob together. The best thing for others in Euroland would be to force Germany back to the Deutschmark.

Trust me there are big shocks to come in 2017 ,the EU is coming to the end ,it's just when not if.

This is how mad these left wing loonies have now got .....

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/racist-really-british-store-hit-by-brexit-backlash-122428432.html

The Euro is the undoing of the EU !.....there is absolutely no need for it because transactions from one currency into another can be done instantly at the best rate of exchange of the day.......so what on earth have those countries done all signing up to a situation where cannot raise or drop interest rates or in fact do anything at all...ludicrous.....best for them to go back to the mark/franc/lira.......praise the Lord that we have the pound !....