Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Which group shall we allow to dirty English soil?

I suppose that could be just about any Country on the Planet Fred .

Max,
P 62302

Morally depleted and shining with false sincerity comrades of Cameron protecting their majorities.

VICTIM - You are so right. Also we will see break up of EU soon, thank god.

And lets abolish all religion throughout the world - we can start with the
Pope

germany's complete open-door policy for all and any refugees of any calibre may well come back to bite in future years
there is already much antipathy in germany to foreign workers, and this could easily escalate into much more widespread nationalism, as indeed is already being seen elsewhere in europe - eg france and hungary
there is also the very valid point that once these "unclassified" refugees have obtained their papers, they will be free to travel wherever they wish within eu and that, as it stands, includes uk

the case for proven syrian refugees is a different matter altogther, and i thoroughly concur that the gov't has taken far too long to grasp this
that said, the precaution of only admitting refugees from syrian-based camps has strong merits, for that at least gives a degree of control of who comes into this country and who does not

by the way, i thought it thoroughly sanctimonious of yvette cooper (i think) who claimed that uk had welcomed jewish refugees just before and during the last war
this is of course was very far from the truth and all sorts of preventative bureaucratic obstacles were created
it was much thanks to the likes of nicolas winton (recently died at the grand age of 104) who worked and weaseled his way through and round the system, that so many were rescued, and not thanks to uk's largesse

Too wordy!

Paraphrase it briefly!

Fred1new - "Too wordy" do not bother posting your rubbish on here.
At least Cynic gives the issue some thought and logic rather than you taking up our
time and space with cartoons and one line nonesense.
Try to think of something from which we can all benefit, and do not just try to get
your name in "lights"

I have always tried to avoid personal comments on here, and get annoyed that MAM
keep accepting horse racing tips posted. When I subscribed to a shares web site,
next we will be into football or something, I suspect.
But as we subscribers all seem to say, MAM has lost its way, and is no longer what
it used to be, but now a money making, advertising machine, for its owners.
I seem to recall from previous experience over the years, that MAM breaks down
whenever the stock market is hyper active, and we need it most.

Meanwhile, the chaps are doing the right thing...


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/554424/Jamie-Streets-war-veteran-evict-council-house

MaxK - do you work for the "express" ?
Please restrict your posting comments to say the Times, Telegraph and similar eg
Economist etc.
I am surprised you have not yet posted a picture from page three yet.

Who asked your opinion?

If you don't like it, piss off or use the filter.

OK - better still you piss off if this is your level of intelligence

Fred why is post 62303 aimed at me ,that's an insult , you really are becoming a pain in the arse ,now do us all a favour and Fuck off ,
don't post anything to do with dead children aimed at me again .
Also a couple of months ago you likened me to Hitler for no reason i think you may be a sick individual who needs help .

rekirkham.

Is it your position that the story is untrue?

If so, counter it, if you can.

children, children! no fighting in the playground please :-)

The Express likes to jump onto heart wrenching stories; it sells papers and that is what they care about and not the people involved. I can believe that some of the story is true, although I doubt it is all true or important parts have been left out. What you read in most newspapers has little to do with 'news' reporting. The story has had the magic wand of the paper waved over it.

Even if it is true, where does the fault lie? Is it the local council, the government or maybe with fuller details it could be the people themselves. There is a saying that 'hard cases make bad laws'. The legislation may be fine overall. However, there will be cases that don't fit. It sounds like the council are being difficult but they are applying the law as written.

MaxK - If the express say it is true then I can not say otherwise

I am not a supporter of the royal family, so perhaps I do not sympathise so much
that the soldier took care of the queen etc.

If the soldier was injured in battle, does he not receive some form of incapacity benefit ? It was his choice to become a soldier, and we admire him for that, just as we admire teachers, doctors, nurses, and aid workers. I was an aid worker who has spent about thirty years in Africa and South America.

If anybody does not pay their rent, soldier, nurse, aid worker etc then is the Council expected to leave them in their council house, but evict engineers and business men etc ?

I should not have told you to piss off - I apologise

Does the soldier not receive any housing benefits ?

My son, who is English and returned from Africa, moved into a vacant council house, and redecorated it. The house was in the name of his friend. When he came to pay the rent he was evicted because he had bye passed the waiting list for housing and was effectively made homeless, just like the soldier.

I think the problem lies in the fact that Gov'm'ts have sold off council housing at cheaper prices from Mrs Thatchers days, and have failed to encourage sufficient rebuilding of houses. See the prices for renting houses anywhere in UK now.

God only knows ( sorry I do not believe in any god ) what state our refugees will live in while here

Here in Spain we have plenty of cheaper housing, but no jobs.
Life will always be unfair, what with Royal families etc., but we presently have
to accept it and try to lift ourselves to higher levels with education and enterprise etc.

One alternative that has been tried, is that we become Communists and try to get
the State to level the playing field a little, but that does not seem to work from my
knowledge and I think you will agree.

of course houses are cheaper if there is no one to buy them - aka supply/demand or market forces

btw, am quietly amused that you have decided to switch from country with a monarchy to another!

personally, i think the queen and many of the royal family very much own their keep, and not necessarily in obvious ways

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11844594/Jeremy-Corbyn-Let-taxpayers-opt-out-of-funding-the-Army.html

Jeremy Corbyn: Let taxpayers opt out of funding the Army

Labour leadership front-runner once proposed letting Britons stop their taxes going to Army - in idea branded 'stark-staring bonkers' by ex-generals

British taxpayers should be allowed to opt out of funding the Army, Jeremy Corbyn once proposed in an idea former generals have called "stark-starring bonkers".

The Labour leadership front-runner suggested voters should be able to act with their "conscience" and order the Treasury not spend their tax money on soldiers.

Britain's leading former generals warned the "corrosive" idea could undermine public support for soldiers and was "absolutely ludicrous".

It has emerged after Mr Corbyn triggered a backlash by saying he “couldn’t think” of a situation in which he would deploy troops.

Asked in what circumstances he would back deploying British troops, Mr Corbyn said: “I'm sure there are some. But I can't think of them at the moment."

The comments, which came during a Channel 4 debate between the Labour leadership rivals, have put Mr Corbyn’s views on defence back in the spotlight.

During a House of Commons debate in 1999, the Islington North MP proposed letting people opt out of giving tax revenue to the Army

“What policy is adopted by his Department in respect of taxpayers who do not wish to pay certain elements of taxation on grounds of conscience,” he asked Treasury ministers on June 24.

Mr Corby continued: “British taxpayers have a right of conscience not to participate in the armed forces in time of conscription and should have a similar right in time of peace to ensure that part of their tax goes to peace, not war.”

The suggestion came with Kosovo beginning to rebuild after the destruction of war and as the Italian Parliament was considering similar legislation.

However the suggestion was criticised by Alan Milburn, then-chief secretary to the Treasury, who said “undermine” funding in the Armed Forces.

Former leading generals have told The Telegraph the idea is “corrosive” and warned of the impact his victory in the Labour leadership race would have on defence policy.

Admiral Lord West, the former First Sea Lord, called the idea “stark-staring bonkers”. “The great joy of the military is that they stop war from happening by showing you are willing to fight,” he said.

“To think that you can be selective as a member of the public and say ‘I will pay for this, I won’t pay for that because I don’t want them to fight anybody’ is just absolutely ludicrous.”

Cynic - I also earn my keep as you do I think, and not always in obvious ways.
I would expect that of anybody