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The really useful silver thread (AG)     

squirrel888 - 12 Jun 2013 10:30

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Saturn6 - 07 Aug 2013 18:13 - 627 of 1034

We got the bounce from the Gap I discussed last night...the thing now is to see if it has legs...

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S.

snurkle1 - 07 Aug 2013 18:48 - 628 of 1034

interesting site Saturn. good find!

gazkaz - 08 Aug 2013 00:58 - 629 of 1034

Sahara
- lol - as you have just highlighted - case in point - on my lack of knowledge on trading ...and options
- I thought options and covered warrants were essentially the same thing
(No 1027 now added to my read up on list of things to do...establish difference.. - options -vs- covered warrants:o)

Having slept on it , and your pointing out Soc Gens...warrants aspect
- when I see him on sat ,I will go with.......
- wot ya got there ma boy - is a warrant on 2,000 oz silver at $27
- the final price could be based on the bid/ask/mid price, comex spot, SLV or.....
- the average price per oz that.... solid silver teapots have sold for on ebay in the previous 7 days
- read ma boy, read
- then I... can knock No 1027 off..my to do list :o)
(or words to that effect)

gazkaz - 08 Aug 2013 01:10 - 630 of 1034

sahara
- it's a good while ago but read/listened to both Todd & ..I think it is spelt.. Svali (or similar) interviews.
- TPTB need a word beyond.. evil
- and an adjective beyond..ultimate

Came across this earlier - JFK - I have heard the "standard" version speech
- this version seems much more to the point, perhaps less ambiguity too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDe6QCqFu4c&feature=player_embedded

(only 6 mins)

gazkaz - 08 Aug 2013 02:01 - 631 of 1034

Sahara
- as to the evolution (of mankind)....again suppressed along with everything else
(Tessla, zero point energy, Royal Rifes freqency cures for all disease, abiotic oil, cold fusion etc etc)

Supressed archeology was of interest to me on an in & out basis for about 6m.

- archaelogists hounded out their jobs and black balled for refusing to alter their discoveries that civilisation was many multiple times older than that given for public consumption
- the skulls in the Peruvian museum (that match the shape of the depictions of Egyptian Pharoes) that are not the result of "for public consumption...binding"....as the cranial voume is more than 50% larger than, what I will term ...standard.
- the supressed info on the Great Pyramid at Giza, Shynx & actual original site is staggering
(way and above having us believe - they knocked them up in the copper age using....copper chisels on granite, manpower ropes, logs and mounding up eart banks at the side :o)
- the location of ancient sites on key energy nodes as well as their own & connected sacred geometry is amazing.
- Whilst I had read many of the individual parts, I watched a 3/4 hour documentary that puts it - all together (got to bed about 5am that night :o)

Rhesus neg blood was an interesting wander too.

Plus I think it was a documentary ..Monkey Blood Who Are We...that claims everything on the planet comes from a common gene pool
(essentially all life on the planet is some combination of whats in the bucket of all genes on the planet, and taking a cupful out, the contents of which, determines the species) .
- the kicker of the documentary (if true of course) is.....
- except humans...which have, as I recollect, approx 70 genes.....that are not in the big bucket gene pool...and found in no other species...on earth...except humans.

We really are sold a crock of ba-ba as to our physical origins/history.

gazkaz - 08 Aug 2013 02:15 - 632 of 1034

Depends how you view this
- but someone once said in a late night....meaning of life discussion (tempered by alcohol)

- they believed there was "a they....trying to find what made us...us"

This rang...that distant bell of recollection :o)

MIT scientists have found a way to plant a false memory in rats. They can provoke a fear reaction by manipulating the content of neurons in the rat’s brains.

The rats remember something frightening that never happened.

Well, not exactly, if remembering implies a conscious act.

Pavlov did what the MIT scientists did. He used dogs. He got them to drool when he rang a bell signaling it was feeding time, even though there was no food. The dogs “remembered” times when the bell accompanied food.

Conditioned reflex.

But there is something conditioned reflex doesn’t cover. The act of remembering. The knowledge that you are remembering.

Why is this important? Because we’re talking about being conscious, being aware, which, the last time I looked, has something to do with being alive as a human.

Life as conditioned reflex is about machines.

What Pavlov did, what the MIT scientists did, is, on another level, all about a propaganda operation aimed at convincing the masses that life is nothing more than conditioned reflex. One program inserted into the mind is just as good as another program. It just depends what the desired behavioral outcome is.

So we’re talking about tyranny over the mind. Fascism.

“We can get you to remember anything.”

No. They can force conditioned reflexes.

(In a similar way, 12 or 16 years of public education can convince a boy or girl that the world is a bunch of slogans and phony ideals that add up to collectivism as the pinnacle of existence. Planting the reflex just takes longer.)

If you grew up in Miami, and one day, while walking down the street, you realized you had a memory of growing up in India, do you seriously think you’d accept that memory?

Having a memory (passive) and remembering (active) are two vastly different things, if you’re not a machine.

The amount of force (torture) it would take to erase that difference is enormous.

So we’re back in MKULTRA territory. Wholesale conditioning. Coercion. Disorienting drugs. That’s what the famed CIA program was all about.

That’s what it takes to blot out one past and insert another, just for a few hours.

The conscious act of remembering is more than just brain activity. Consciousness is not a function or property of the brain. This isn’t woo-woo stuff. It’s as real as you sitting there reading this, the room you’re in, the light in the room.

Unless someone can talk you out of knowing that. Unless the tidal wave of propaganda about the brain as the center of all knowing can convince you to believe you’re nothing more than brain processes.

Unless you believe that all life in all its variety can always be measured.

In which case, we have the incredible situation of a non-material YOU believing you are only material. If you want a cosmic joke, that’s it. If you want to know something about Matrix, there’s a good starting point.

There is nothing about the brain that can give you the knowledge that you UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE WORDS ON THIS PAGE.

The brain does not possess “the understanding of meaning.”

A machine can process information, but it never understands it. A machine can process information and take action based on instructions, but it can never know what it’s doing.

Revving up the complexity of a machine doesn’t make it evolve into consciousness. That’s a fairy tale sold by technocrats. That’s all they’ve got. They’ve abandoned everything else. They’ve abandoned imagination and creative power and the capacity of the individual to invent new realities of all kinds.

The basis of the American Revolution was supposed to be freedom, but of course, if the brain is the center of all knowing and behavior, the brain—which is simply atoms in motion like all other atoms in the universe—contains no freedom at all.

Therefore, the whole idea of freedom is a preposterous hoax, and people, when they argue and fight for freedom, are terminally deluded. They should just stop what they’re doing and lie down and take it.

Take whatever program is jammed into their brains.

If the morons at MIT had any self-knowledge and courage,
- they’d stop what they were doing.
- They’d shut down the lab.
- They’d stop bothering the rats.

They’d access the open sky of their own imaginations.
- They’d create something.
- They might figure out how to launch a revolution that could take back the freedoms we’ve lost.
- They might become artists.
They’d give their.. materialistic bullshit a rest.

They’d realize
- they’re alive and conscious.
- They’d realize this has nothing to do with their brains.
- They’d realize they’ve been living in a psychotic state,
- believing on the one hand that all the particles that make up the universe have no life in them
- and on the other hand, believing that those same particles, when arranged in something called the brain .....suddenly give rise to everything called life in humans.

It’s a matrix of contradiction, a loop in the labyrinth...... where science lives,
- where science tries to enlist .....everyone else

- in its.... primary illusion.

snurkle1 - 08 Aug 2013 06:53 - 633 of 1034

From Jesse's cafe

07 August 2013

COMEX Deliverable (Registered) Gold Declines By Almost 60,000 Ounces

Since last Friday the registered gold in the COMEX warehouse has declined by almost 60,000 ounces to a new recent low of 875,710 ounces.

Total gold including eligible gold stored by customers in COMEX warehouses but not offered for sale holds steady at around 7 million ounces.

There was a transfer of about 6,445 ounces of customer gold from HSBC to JPM. But this was not deliverable gold as indicated on a popular website, but merely a transfer of eligible ounces from one warehouse to another.

I noted today that about 8,300 ounces of gold bullion in 400 oz. bars was redeemed from the Sprott Physical Gold Trust. Gold in this form is ready for delivery to Asia. I cannot imagine why else someone would go through the redemption process unless there was an immediate need for physical gold.

Given the amount of bullion being actually offered for sale at the COMEX, higher prices seem to be indicated in this delivery cycle with a little over 200,000 ounces worth of contracts standing for delivery at least for now.

GLD lost about 4.5 tonnes of bullion due to paper induced selling. At some point when the price of gold turns and GLD must start adding bullion back the pressure on physical supply could be interesting.

But why debate or belabor this any further? Hit the paper price again if you dare, with the government of India doing all that it can already to stop the flow of gold into that country, and the gold forward rates negative over twenty days as the search for deliverable gold at these prices is becoming increasingly desperate.

People wish to protect at least some portion of their wealth from opaque counterparty risks.

Weighed, and found wanting.

Stand and deliver.

Saturn6 - 08 Aug 2013 10:25 - 634 of 1034

Wow!! Gaz - A boatload to digest first thing.

Don't beat yourself up too much about options, you are not the first to get mixed up with them and for sure won't be the last. We all make errors all the while, thats how we learn. And as JFK quotes so timely in your vid ' "An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it"

It is a shame that JFK was as naive as he was in regard to asking the press to inform and alert the American people. ((

I read a book about what happens to the human mind when it is subjected to the most horrible and frightening events. It disassociates and develops multiple personalities. The book I read was a true story 'Sybil' who from a toddler broke into 16 totally seperate and individual characters. Most female yet two male and with differing characters accents and ambitions. And even includes one persoanlity as a baby and one foreign.

The book was written by Flora Rheta Schreiber, Sybil is the pseudonym for Shirley Ardell Mason. And there was speculation that the case for Sybil was fabricated and that false memories were placed in her mind under hypnosois. Although much of this was contradicted by Sybils letters to a close friend Nancy Preston, after she released copies of the letters she had received from Sybil up until her death, where Sybil confirms she had multiple personalities.

I shall pass around that gem of a speech by JFK Gaz, I hadn't heard the most part of it prior.

S.

snurkle1 - 08 Aug 2013 17:00 - 635 of 1034

Saturn,
You mentioned quite awhile back that you sold your gold in exchange for silver.
Suppose you had gold now, and with the ratio at around 66 would you do the same?

Saturn6 - 08 Aug 2013 18:04 - 636 of 1034

The bounce has legs...

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And the Inv 'H&S' may be now in play...

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You may not see it clearly here but GDX had a perfect back-test of the 'Wedge' (Black line) what once was the resistance is now turned to support.reisitance.

And for confirmation we would like to see the same with the junior miners. Which as you can see is conforming...

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S.

Saturn6 - 08 Aug 2013 18:14 - 637 of 1034

Snurkle - I didn't sell all my Gold but a god portion, I kept some Gold as it has benefits of moving large monetary amounts easily. But yes if I held only Gold, i would rotate a large portion of it into Silver.

As this chart of the GSR shows a topping potential in the shape of a Bearish 'Wedge' at the end of another larger 'Wedge' with a dropping ROC.

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Note also SLV popping out of a Bullish 'Wedge' lower pane.

S.

Saturn6 - 08 Aug 2013 18:20 - 638 of 1034

Remember I mentioned the 'Strangle' option trade on $Silver yesterday due to the tightening band a precursor to a big move, well if we look at SLV for intraday update we can see the move is to the upside, but needs to tackle the 50/DMA...

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Notice also the 'Kiss' on the McD.

S.

snurkle1 - 08 Aug 2013 20:30 - 639 of 1034

Thanks for that Saturn, much appreciate your views

gazkaz - 08 Aug 2013 21:28 - 640 of 1034

Cheers Sahara - heading off for a long weekend off grid 1st thing in the morning,
- so rang my son and gave him the ..bad news.

Agreed he should have fully checked out the finer details, but just seemed to marry up with my off the cuff example
- I said if it didn't make $27+ by Dec he would lose out either way
- then he opimistically chimed in - a $3 ish profit if silver hits $30 ish is still a $6,000 ish profit....& whilst may not be $60k but, ....any profit is good.
- nice to have a "glass is half full" son :o)

Hope you and Snurkle have a great weekend.

Saturn6 - 09 Aug 2013 08:37 - 641 of 1034

Thatsa Boy!....A chip off the ole block eh?

I am hoping to wrap up early today too, although I have been juggling other things during this summer lull and seem to have a lot to catch up on so maybe a busy weekend for me after-all ((

Hope you have a nice relaxing and refreeshing time.

S.

Saturn6 - 12 Aug 2013 14:30 - 642 of 1034

We got the push out through the top of the 'Triangle' on the Silver chart along with the move foretold by the Bollinger Bands.

Miners did a sweet back-test of the breakout line and may have fored a Bullish Inv 'H&S' as I had intimated...

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Stops can be moved up to reaction lows now.

Intraday we can see the 'Triangle' resistance is being tagged. It may be that we need a slight low (Pop and Drop) from here but that will only plot Wave-E and give us more momentum to push on up?/...

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S.

Saturn6 - 12 Aug 2013 14:56 - 643 of 1034

GSR - Has moved down below the blue 'Wedge' support...

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S.

gazkaz - 12 Aug 2013 16:05 - 644 of 1034

Good afternoon - hope you both had a great weekend. Had a good one myself.

Whilst lazing on the beach the one overiding thought that kept popping in my head to disturb the peaceful tranquility ...was......in the big picture.....far too many things
- just don't add up.

I won't list them....but trillions in unfunded liabilities (pensions etc), over a quadrillion in derivatives, and the world just seems to be generally, just ticking along...as normal.
- Seemingly weekly the big banks are discovered stealing large amounts....and nobody goes to jail, and things just get smoothed over.
- Any and all cans are just kicked down the road.

To cut a long story short....what struck me was ....if something of....biblical epic proportions....had been known about for decades.....was due on the near horizon
- realistically, would we be told about it :o)
- would they just do anything to snooze us along, in the bliss of ignorance, whilst they themselves prepared.

Just listened to this (this morning)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z01p3TAGRZg

NB Start 1hr 15 min in.
Not a comet....but a multi planetary system....in progress of swinging round our sun
- and will - have consequences to our own sun, which would affect us
- and subsequent way out fly by......??


Would it .....account for "nothing adding up"....but all seeming....strangely quiet ??
- would it account for millions of airtight coffin liners stacked around the USA
- would it account for Russia having 5,000 "new" underground bunkers built around Moscow, to be completed by...2013
- would it account for the senate passing unanimously....unlimited detention without charge or trial
- would it account for 600 plus detention camps, just in the US alone, showing signs of increased activity (others have been built in Australia too)
- Would it account for....the Norway Seed Vault (and others) construction
- would it account for the Swiss having enough ...underground bunkers....to house it's "whole poulation"
- would it account for...not having bothered to fund....all those unfunded liabilities
- would it account for global unlimited in progress printing, near zero interest rates....yet seemingly generally nobody cares...and no global catestrophic financial consequences (all with Joe Public kept MSM ...blissfully ignorant)
(there's a lot more...but you get the gist etc)

And talking of the Swiss....this is one of their recently withdrawn banknotes

Note the orbit - with the red arrow pointing to the orbit object.....cutting through
- our solar system

(which.....uncannily ties in with...the above interview)






Could be a load of bolox, or dissinfo, but....it's major alternative radio....and the guys have an air of scientific authenticity.....and
- add to that
- the significant number of deep space astronermers who have died, suddenly/tragically/unexpectedly in recent years (many in colleague pairs)
- construction of....yet another....telescope (at the hospitable....south pole). In fact perfectly placed to observe - the above "orbit"
- the ....vatican... getting into observatories....in a... big way
(will keep it short and leave it there)

And my last thought - if true......everything that currently....doesn't add up

- would....add up

Would appreciate your opinions ?


snurkle1 - 12 Aug 2013 17:10 - 645 of 1034

Glad you had a nice time Gaz, although your thought process sounds far from relaxing.
I am on your page with all of it, it's a matter of when not if.
Of course the main question is to what extend?
Could it have anything to do with the pre planned Fukushima disaster as slowly but surely the worlds water ways are being poisoned? If that's the case, no amount of money will help. You have to be part of a selected few in order to get protection from that stuff.

what's your plan Gaz?

gazkaz - 13 Aug 2013 00:21 - 646 of 1034

Snurkle
- be prepared for 6 weeks. Anything beyond that and it would become increasingly a mad max scenario
- flexibility to adapt in the light of changing circumstances and peronal interpretation of changing events
- read much, believe little, until supported by multiple credible information.

Be mindful and concious of...... forecasts, predictions, analysis & prophecy

- but not live my life....in expectation of them.

I often read a plaque in my mothers garden (put there by my late father), as I pass by :-

"To plant a garden....is to believe in tomorrow"

The tomatoes and potatoes are looking OK, but
- the bugs are winning on the cabbage & sprouts front.
(but I'm learning :o)

On the latter question, I am sure it is connected, as was the BP Gulf incident.

Suprising just how many reactors are built on high seismic activity points.
In a high earthquake/tsunami zone - would you build one by the sea, with diesel powered back up generators below ground (& the generators designed for slow start/warm up on ships, not fast start, high rev emergency use).
- And would you store all the spent fuel rods at the same place.... in open cooling pools
- with the cooling...supplied by the same plant equipment.


With a - twist

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