Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
cynic
- 26 Nov 2012 11:43
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surely the UN resolution is to confirm that the palestinians should have their own homeland (gaza for simplicity, and a comparatively modest area) and self rule of some kind and NOT that israel should effectively be dismantled, which is very different from your perpetual rant
TANKER
- 26 Nov 2012 12:05
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Unfortunately, that is a fantasy solution. Even Hamas have suggested a joint country. A major sticking point would be the Israeli constitution.
it is war mongers like you that are the problems you are a hateful sub human
hay who wants killings for your pleasure . you are slime of the worst kind
Haystack
- 26 Nov 2012 12:06
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The UN resolution is that Palestine should have observer status, similar to the Vatican and some others. It cover the West Bank and Gaza and is effectively 1967 borders. A major advantage for Palestine is that it gives access to the ICC and enables Palestine to have Israel charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. This would specifically be for the current occupation of the West Bank.
cynic
- 26 Nov 2012 12:18
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f**k the war crimes crap ..... though you may think it important, it really is an irrelevance in the scheme of things
Palestine should have observer status
What does this mean?
i suspect it's just semi-membership of UN
apart from being a pretty placebo, at least for now, it really would not seem to progress a regional solution at all
TANKER
- 26 Nov 2012 12:21
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the UN can NOT have a TERRORIST org in it .
if they do then it is no more
Haystack
- 26 Nov 2012 12:24
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The status gives Palestine a number of benefits, apart from access to the ICC it gives a recognition and official status within the list of member countries. The ICC access is not to be ignored. A guilty verdict imposes a duty of arrest of the listed offenders. While a number of countries such as the US would not arrest Netenyahu or defence minister etc, there are probably around 120 that would.
Fred1new
- 26 Nov 2012 12:38
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I thought Netty was already on the "wanted" list.
cynic
- 26 Nov 2012 12:40
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i'm really not much interested in this latest hobby horse of HS's
as i wrote before - it's a complete side issue
Haystack
- 26 Nov 2012 13:09
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Israel is not treating it as a side issue. They have been sending delegates round the world to persuade countries not to vote for Palestine. BBoth Haaretz and Jerusalem Post newspapers are carrying front page stories about the UN bid.
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=293438
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/plo-vote-against-palestine-at-un-will-signal-that-only-armed-struggle-works.premium-1.480495
cynic
- 26 Nov 2012 13:33
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not the same question as the one you raised previously!
for sure israel would not want any sort of palestinian presence in UN, but not through intrinsic fear of some prosecution or other.
if the boot was on a different foot, the likes of iran and syria etc etc would also be trying to drum support for the exclusion of israel
Haystack
- 26 Nov 2012 13:46
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This story in Haaretz from April this year may shed some light on the ICC issue. Palestinians tried to take Israel to ICC over operation cast lead. The ICC turned them down as they were not UN members or observers. This will change over the next few weeks.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/icc-rejects-palestinian-bid-to-investigate-israeli-war-crimes-during-cast-lead-gaza-operation-1.422397
Palestine will get upgraded to UN 'non member' state and have access to ICC.
cynic
- 26 Nov 2012 14:11
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side issue; side issue; side issue; side issue; side issue; side issue
gets boring reposting the same old thing, doesn't it
skinny
- 26 Nov 2012 14:39
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Israel Defence Minister Ehud Barak quits politics
The Israeli Defence Minister, Ehud Barak, has announced that he is quitting politics and will not be contesting January's general election.
Mr Barak, a former military chief of staff who served as prime minister from 1999 to 2001, said he would now concentrate on his personal life.
"I want to study, to write, to live and have a good time," he told reporters.
TANKER
- 26 Nov 2012 15:04
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allowing palestians in to the UN would be like puting FOXS in to a chicken coup
TANKER
- 26 Nov 2012 15:06
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hay i for got you are thick .
so i will tell you what it means
the fox would kill the whole lot .
Haystack
- 26 Nov 2012 17:10
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The building of settlements in the West Bank will come under the scrutiny of the ICC as settling an occupied territory is strictly illegal. There have been several UN resolutions regarding settlement building, but there was little that could be done previously. The inclusion of Palestine in the UN creates the possibility of real penalties and about tine too. This is definitely not a side issue. It will be an attempt to hold Israel to account by the rest of the world.
Fred1new
- 26 Nov 2012 17:16
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Hays,
Agree with you.
Beginning to get worried.
TANKER
- 26 Nov 2012 17:17
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fred the arse licker
cynic
- 26 Nov 2012 17:21
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Fred - i agree that many of the settlements on west bank are a disgrace, but though UN may pass any number of resolutions, the chance of israel taking any notice is less than zero ..... USA is spineless, otherwise withdrawal of some aid would sharpen israel's attention very effectively
Haystack
- 26 Nov 2012 18:14
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This is quite a development.
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=293489
Hamas lends support to Abbas's UN statehood bid
Mashaal calls PA president to back bid in unexpected change of heart; Hamas spokesman Abu Zuhri says group backs any political gain Abbas can achieve at UN "without causing harm to the national Palestinian rights."
The Islamist group Hamas said on Monday it was backing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas's attempt to win more clout for Palestinians at the United Nations, the latest sign of a rapprochement between the political rivals.
The Palestinians are registered as an observer entity at the UN and Abbas wants to see them upgraded to a "non-member state" in a UN General Assembly vote on November 29, giving him access to other international organizations...........