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The really useful silver thread (AG)     

squirrel888 - 12 Jun 2013 10:30

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gazkaz - 12 Aug 2013 16:05 - 644 of 1034

Good afternoon - hope you both had a great weekend. Had a good one myself.

Whilst lazing on the beach the one overiding thought that kept popping in my head to disturb the peaceful tranquility ...was......in the big picture.....far too many things
- just don't add up.

I won't list them....but trillions in unfunded liabilities (pensions etc), over a quadrillion in derivatives, and the world just seems to be generally, just ticking along...as normal.
- Seemingly weekly the big banks are discovered stealing large amounts....and nobody goes to jail, and things just get smoothed over.
- Any and all cans are just kicked down the road.

To cut a long story short....what struck me was ....if something of....biblical epic proportions....had been known about for decades.....was due on the near horizon
- realistically, would we be told about it :o)
- would they just do anything to snooze us along, in the bliss of ignorance, whilst they themselves prepared.

Just listened to this (this morning)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z01p3TAGRZg

NB Start 1hr 15 min in.
Not a comet....but a multi planetary system....in progress of swinging round our sun
- and will - have consequences to our own sun, which would affect us
- and subsequent way out fly by......??


Would it .....account for "nothing adding up"....but all seeming....strangely quiet ??
- would it account for millions of airtight coffin liners stacked around the USA
- would it account for Russia having 5,000 "new" underground bunkers built around Moscow, to be completed by...2013
- would it account for the senate passing unanimously....unlimited detention without charge or trial
- would it account for 600 plus detention camps, just in the US alone, showing signs of increased activity (others have been built in Australia too)
- Would it account for....the Norway Seed Vault (and others) construction
- would it account for the Swiss having enough ...underground bunkers....to house it's "whole poulation"
- would it account for...not having bothered to fund....all those unfunded liabilities
- would it account for global unlimited in progress printing, near zero interest rates....yet seemingly generally nobody cares...and no global catestrophic financial consequences (all with Joe Public kept MSM ...blissfully ignorant)
(there's a lot more...but you get the gist etc)

And talking of the Swiss....this is one of their recently withdrawn banknotes

Note the orbit - with the red arrow pointing to the orbit object.....cutting through
- our solar system

(which.....uncannily ties in with...the above interview)






Could be a load of bolox, or dissinfo, but....it's major alternative radio....and the guys have an air of scientific authenticity.....and
- add to that
- the significant number of deep space astronermers who have died, suddenly/tragically/unexpectedly in recent years (many in colleague pairs)
- construction of....yet another....telescope (at the hospitable....south pole). In fact perfectly placed to observe - the above "orbit"
- the ....vatican... getting into observatories....in a... big way
(will keep it short and leave it there)

And my last thought - if true......everything that currently....doesn't add up

- would....add up

Would appreciate your opinions ?


snurkle1 - 12 Aug 2013 17:10 - 645 of 1034

Glad you had a nice time Gaz, although your thought process sounds far from relaxing.
I am on your page with all of it, it's a matter of when not if.
Of course the main question is to what extend?
Could it have anything to do with the pre planned Fukushima disaster as slowly but surely the worlds water ways are being poisoned? If that's the case, no amount of money will help. You have to be part of a selected few in order to get protection from that stuff.

what's your plan Gaz?

gazkaz - 13 Aug 2013 00:21 - 646 of 1034

Snurkle
- be prepared for 6 weeks. Anything beyond that and it would become increasingly a mad max scenario
- flexibility to adapt in the light of changing circumstances and peronal interpretation of changing events
- read much, believe little, until supported by multiple credible information.

Be mindful and concious of...... forecasts, predictions, analysis & prophecy

- but not live my life....in expectation of them.

I often read a plaque in my mothers garden (put there by my late father), as I pass by :-

"To plant a garden....is to believe in tomorrow"

The tomatoes and potatoes are looking OK, but
- the bugs are winning on the cabbage & sprouts front.
(but I'm learning :o)

On the latter question, I am sure it is connected, as was the BP Gulf incident.

Suprising just how many reactors are built on high seismic activity points.
In a high earthquake/tsunami zone - would you build one by the sea, with diesel powered back up generators below ground (& the generators designed for slow start/warm up on ships, not fast start, high rev emergency use).
- And would you store all the spent fuel rods at the same place.... in open cooling pools
- with the cooling...supplied by the same plant equipment.


With a - twist

gazkaz - 13 Aug 2013 00:53 - 647 of 1034

CFTC - supoenas the metals warehousing firms for all corres/records/emails with the LME.........after ?
- LME, was sold last year by..... its member bank owners
- to Hong Kong Exchanges and Clearing
(coincidence)

gazkaz - 13 Aug 2013 01:00 - 648 of 1034

John Embry of Sprott asset

"We had already been hearing about discussions of...... a significant..... revaluation of gold
- thousands of dollars higher than where it is currently trading, and...
- this is coming from respectable people"

Must have missed this on the MSM whilst I was away

“I was absolutely shocked by the comments out of Russia last week
- from (Prime Minister Dimitry) Medvedev,
- where he advised all Russians to...... get their money out .......all Western banks
- because there was going to be a bail-in.

This isn’t some sort of crackpot saying this.
- We are talking about the Prime Minister of Russia.
I was astounded by that ominous warning.
(Embry)

gazkaz - 13 Aug 2013 01:14 - 649 of 1034

First, it was JPM asking HSBC for assistance and getting a handout of
- over 6k ounces of gold.

The next day, following a shut out by HSBC,
- JPM had no choice but to go to the second largest vault,
- that of Scotia Mocatta and get
- more than triple times that, ......or just over 20k ounces.

Today, the Comex gold crunch has gotten so confusing, nothing short of a color-coded schematic can do it justice.

First, moments ago the Comex reported that JPM doubled down once more
- and received ......a third consecutive infusion
- of over 43K ounces from HSBC,

Just as we predicted last Thursday when we said, that "with HSBC moving 43.4K oz from Registered to Eligible, we would expect.......
- either another major Comex withdrawal in the next few days from HSBC,
- or this is merely HSBC making room...... for further gold "requests" by JPM."
(It was the latter to a tee).

However, what is most fascinating is that while HSBC could not say no to JPM's stern "requests", which also as predicted saw over 44K ounces of gold leave its warehouse forever in satisfaction of prior delivery demands, and in the process taking its eligible inventory to a record low of just 100k ounces,
- HSBC had to concurrently....... obtain a comparable infusion of gold
- from Scotia Mocatta,
which for the second day in a row has become the guardian angel of the Comex handing over........
- 20k ounces to JPM last week, and now 23k ounces to HSBC.

Finally adding to the confusion, all three major vaults proceeded
- to convert......... tens of thousands of ounces
- in and out of registered......... in a totally uncoordinated fashion,
(but at least this time there was no restocking of JPM eligible gold with Scotia registered).





And
The above chart only shows what happened in terms of.... intravault activity alone,
- where the only net exit of gold from the Comex took place at JPM.
Everything else was, well,......

- a "musical chairs" scramble to actually obtain the gold.

What is really going on behind the scenes, however, nobody knows.



gazkaz - 13 Aug 2013 01:29 - 650 of 1034

Bloomberg News television today lets Mihir Dange, co-founder of commodity trading firm Grafite Capital,
- remark that his company bought physical gold....... eight weeks ago
- but still hasn't gotten delivery yet.

Dange says....... "there's a huge run on physical now."

Dange's comment begins at the 1:30 mark in the video here


snurkle1 - 13 Aug 2013 03:37 - 651 of 1034

I'm sure many of us were thinking the same thing before the coin dropped.

"I didn't see the smack down coming when gold hit $1,900 and silver topped $46. How could I? It wasn't warranted. Nothing had changed, nothing important at least. QE was in full force; deficits were topping a trillion a year; America had become one giant welfare state; Bernanke was living up to his name of "Helicopter Ben;" The Chinese were starting to buy huge amounts of gold. How did I miss this large set back? Easy - it made no sense - and it was 100% orchestrated."

-David Schectman


snurkle1 - 13 Aug 2013 07:31 - 652 of 1034

Gaz, great links and posts.
Love the garden analogy.
I suppose the history one tells us we're pretty much screwed.

ps Not in today, but will call you tomorrow with an update when the boys have finished looking at it.... believe it or not, it did turn out busy over the last few days.

Saturn6 - 13 Aug 2013 10:02 - 653 of 1034

Gaz - Forthcoming disasterous events are going to increase, apart from the jump in man-made catastrophies such as train, plain, boat, bus disasters wars, riots, and criminal behaviour they will also include...Earthquakes that will exponentially increase along with tidal and volcanic activity around the globe which will cause major destruction and death. Weather related events such as storms, flooding, drought, fires, freezing, and baking, etc. 'The insurance industry claim payouts are the canary in the coal mine.' Don Forgeron, Insurance Bureau of Canada.

Disease and plagues, H7N9 Avian Influenza now has made the jump to humans...http://news.yahoo.com/strain-bird-flu-jumps-animals-humans-165957727.html Also SARS, Cancers, TB, Diabetes, Polio, Pnuemonia, Psoriasis, STD's, MRSA, HIV, Brain disorders...Alzheimers, Parkinsons, Schizophrenia, CJD, Bi-Polar, Autism, ADHD, etc.

Remember too the stockpiles of chemical, bioligical and toxin weapons. Anthrax, West Nile Virus, Botulism, Brucellosis, Cholera, Typhus, Smallpox, Yellow Fever, Ricin, etc.

Bee colony collapse disorder (CCD) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_collapse_disorder Locust plagues in Africa and Middle East...http://planetindistress.com/2013/05/10/famine-potential-from-locust-plagues-in-africa-middle-east/ 'Consuming 100,000 Tonnes of crops PER DAY'

All prophesied in the Bible and instructions therin on how to deal with it.

You believe that there is one God. That's fine! Even the demons believe that and tremble with fear. James 2:19


S.






Saturn6 - 13 Aug 2013 10:12 - 654 of 1034

'But now bullion banks also have a problem: They tried to replenish their (physical gold) coffers during the massive manipulative selling that we’ve seen over the last few months in the paper market. Although they took the price down, most of the physical (gold) that was released by selling from ETFs and hedge funds was absorbed by Asia.'

'And the central planners (also) went to India and said, ‘Look, you’ve got to do something about all of this gold buying in India.’ So we’ve had ten different steps by the Indian government to try to curb demand — a 2% tax, a 4% tax, a 6% tax, an 8% tax, and a ruling that banks couldn’t lend money for people to buy gold.'...

'By undercutting normal gold lease rates, these super low interest rates have forced central banks to reduce their lease rates to nonsensical levels in order to prevent gold futures from going into overt backwardation. Recall that GOFO, the gold forward rate, is the interest rate for a given maturity less the lease rate for that maturity, and that a negative GOFO represents backwardation.'

'The bottom line is that there is a very serious shortage of physical gold, and as this becomes increasingly apparent to the rest of the world, this is likely to cause a tremendous amount of instability in the financial markets in the months ahead.'

http://endtimebibleprophecy.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/the-coming-shortage-of-physical-gold-that-will-change-everything/#more-10165

'So what does all of this mean for you?

What it means is that while we may see wild fluctuations in the prices of gold and silver over the short-term, the long-term prognosis for both metals is absolutely fantastic.'

S.

Saturn6 - 13 Aug 2013 10:29 - 655 of 1034

Steve Silva did such a good job deceiving the nation on 9-11 that the Illuminati brought him back for the Boston Marathon bombing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBLk7p1gMXY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P_qU2J8DvU&lc=7Gsfy2_Gw5jbCYwuNOUg7L62ySIuS3J-cLVWq0Ci_eQ

"We have already contrived to possess the minds of the goy communities...[they are] looking through the spectacles we are setting astride their noses." -- Protocols of Zion, 12

See more here....http://henrymakow.com/

S.

gazkaz - 13 Aug 2013 11:10 - 656 of 1034

Snurkle - cheers re update.

When so many things don't add up anymore, in such a highly and obviously co-ordinated top level manner, from the global "unified in step" central bank printing,
- to the actions of the senate, executive orders, and
- those Flea-ma & dept homeboy security....buying up all the a.mmo (including HollowPoints - banned under the GenevaConv)
- plus reports (copy emails) of them approaching emergency/survival food suppliers asking for....inventories and how much and how quickly they can ship
- it does make you wonder.

Spain is totally flat broke, insolvent,
- 36% under 25's unemployment & of all the eurozone's... total unemployed....Spain accounts for 30%
- having to resort to borrowing from its state pension and welfare fund
- which is invested 95% plus in ?....Spanish gov't bonds
- The US is totally fooked with the FEDy having to buy the majority of T-bond issues (one way or another), the charade of ever increasing debt ceilings, the 7th largest economy in the world verging on bankruptcy (California) - and major cities like Detroit defaulting completely, including payments to city pensioners.
- Greece needing another EU bailout....which will no doubt become a saver/depositor bail-in.

Yet all ticks quietly on (lull before - the storm....style)

As to "the storm" ....that's the question.

The seed vaults, the bunkers (especially the boyz biggies - constructed under the pretence of the cold war) - do seem to point to an expected...damn big storm.

Looking at history - even the biblical - the exodus, Noah's flood etc - there have been "damn big storms" in the past. People who have tried to establish dates....seem to conclude the likelihood of them being....cyclical.

Suppressed archaelogy would leave you in no doubt that there have been many more -advanced civilisations on the planet in the past than history teaches....and for a darn sight longer too.
(even in manstream there is no conclusion as what happened to the relatively recent in historical terms Aztecs, Inca's & Mayan's).

There are many examples of ancient underground constructions to hose large numbers of people that would have taken many, many years and immense untold man hours to contruct.

The crusades recovered much esoteric knowledge (no doubt housed in the VaricanVaults) - and the truly massive repository of ancient knowledge was burned at Alexandria for a reason. Even in WWII Hitler sent out missions to locate....ancient "knowledge" (very much along the lines of the film "raiders of the lost ark").

Looking at supposed - legends
- fire and brimstone raining down, gods hurling fireballs, gods firing lightening bolts, gods battling in the heavens
- I imagine they used terminology of the day - not able to use - comets/asteroids, coronal mass discharges, pole reversals etc.

All in all suggestive of....recurring (& regular ?) ...cycles

Even trying to be self cynical as to the plausability - of such a possible conclusion
(& ignoring,, exact,, cycles of the progression of the constellations, ..and regular as clockwork comets... such as Haleys Comet)

- Two common sense questions spring to mind

- Why did the ancients spend inordinate amounts of time and effort over multi generations accurately tabulating passage of time, and building stunningly huge constructions - to track progression of the constellations.

- Why have those with access to ancient knowledge in the vaults beneath Rome
- recently funded satellites & suddenly.... in a big way - got into the ground based telescope/observatory business.

We can of course only guess to the answers to those two questions - which are seemingly...connected....yet seperated by millenia

- but one guess in the "lull before the storm" as to the nature of "the storm" has a tendency to make all the things that - don't add up
- add up perfectly

IF,...that's the case, then.....as to a when ??
- the above dots & others do tend to point to...sooner, rather than...later.

gazkaz - 13 Aug 2013 11:25 - 657 of 1034

Sahara - we do all seem on the same page, as to the joys which seem on the near horizon ahead of us.

A rare breed that can look at the likely events ahead in our near future, yet sleep soundly and carry on with the normalities of day to day life, and, not feel depressed or run around like a headless chicken.

Just renewed, my car breakdown cover, paying for...3yrs, as it's cheaper :o)
- now is that "Being mindful of what the future may bring, but not... living in expectation of it"
in action....or what !
lol

The sarcasm in the Boston vids is perfect balancel
- did you read the extract of page 55 in mullins book I posted
(vs protocols :o)

Saturn6 - 13 Aug 2013 11:52 - 658 of 1034

Gaz - I like your style, and your faith. I plant my garden each year too... And God Bless your Dad.

Talking of faith, it struck me as odd that evolutionists don't go for faith yet when you drill down that is what is required to believe in evolution...Blind faith...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ#at=923

S.






Saturn6 - 13 Aug 2013 12:24 - 659 of 1034

On $Silver - The Pinched Bollinger Bands have produced a nice thrust so far...

ywpd.png

Remember the 'Triangle' and the 'Gap' fill objectives, well we met those during yesterday's move up...

jfz6.png

We need to see now if these will be hurdles that are difficult to jump. See also that the old support is now being back-tested and you all know by now what old support becomes when broken...

huo.png

Remember this support line I put in prior...

5opk.png

Meanwhile if the low is indeed in then this chart shows the enormous potential Wave-iii of 3 possesses...

fwt1.png

S.

gazkaz - 13 Aug 2013 16:28 - 660 of 1034

Sahara
- I recently likened the evolution theory from the primordial soup
- as to..

- you throw all the parts of an alternator in a tumble drier....and let it tumble for.. a million years or so....and one day all the pieces just happen to come together...into a complete functional alternator
- then you do the same with the parts for...a starter motor
- when you have done the same for... all of the components for a car
- you then throw the whole lot of individual components - into a really big tumble drier (for... a few billion years... this time, ...so we can give it credible time for a good chance :o)
- and one day - out drives a complete...Audi A4.

(& thats giving the eveolution guys a head start - by putting "ready made parts" of an alternator etc into the tumbler.
Imagine ..as is closer to evolution theory... just starting trying for the completed alternator....starting only with tumbling bits of raw metals)

gazkaz - 13 Aug 2013 16:35 - 661 of 1034

I had the chance to reconnect with a source
- in the bullion management business,
- whose operations deal on a direct basis with... the shipping desks at the GLD.
(While remaining unnamed at this time, it was a powerful conversation, and he was quite liberal in sharing thought).

http://bullmarketthinking.com/gld-is-collapsing-its-shares-and-that-gold-is-being-shipped-directly-to-asia/

Speaking to what his group
- is hearing from ......the main GLD custodian,
- he noted that,
- “GLD is collapsing in [terms of] the number of share issuance,
- and [is] being redeemed…
- we are hearing from my end…

- that the GLD main custodian...... has been collapsing it and redeeming it,
- and that gold.... is just being shipped..... via their shipping desk.... directly to Asia.”

Saturn6 - 13 Aug 2013 18:04 - 662 of 1034

Brilliant Gaz - You tickled me with that ever so eloquent yet devastatingly appropriate analogy of evolution.

Absolutely Spot On!!!

I used a similar scenario with a heating engineer whilst discussing his faith in evolution. Although he argued with me it was not a faith, I asked him where the proof was and he came out with multiple reasons why evolution happened but no proof. So I therefore made him realise that oit was a faith that he had without himself knowing. Such is the power of our education and programming. ;-/

Anyway the scenario I used was how he would react to stumbling across a fully complete and functioning domestic heating boiler in a field after being told it came into being by happenstance.... The look on his face was a picture.

Gaz - I noticed India has launched a home built aircraft carrier. The first to follow Britain, France, Russia and the United States to do so. Beating even China to do so.

Vikrant’s launch comes just two days after India announced that its first indigenously built nuclear submarine was ready for war trials.'

http://www.voanews.com/content/india-launches-indigenously-buit-aircraft-carrier/1727930.html

lnuw.jpgThe Indian aircraft carrier is docked at a shipyard after its launch in Kochi, India, Aug. 12, 2013.

S.

gazkaz - 13 Aug 2013 20:43 - 663 of 1034

Sahara - indeed people do have unquestioning faith in what they are taught in school and college.
(The Tavispook Institute works wonders).

The Indian carrier looks a bit short in the take off dept. Maybe you line the carriers up, like running across li-lo's in a swimming pool to get airborne.
- And call me old fashioned but it is traditional to have somewhere for the captain to sit. I think sitting in the lowered stern end with his hand on the rudder is going to give a very restricted view of where the pointy end is going.

Maybe it did originally have a traditional elevated bridge in the middle for the captain, but they removed it, so the planes didn't have to slow down to go round it when taking off.

It really does look like someone sold them the plans... for the bow and stern,
- and the Indians didn't notice they were missing the 1/4 of a mile middle section.
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