Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

some sensible discussion here this morning ...... i'm just off for a nibble of lunch but intend to be back later

somewhat cynically, DC's hand re restricting even eu immigrants has of course been immeasurably strengthened

Last night there were reports on BBC news that the 'Jungle' immigrant campsite in Calais was on fire. It may have been a revenge attack by the French. It is not being mentioned today, maybe to avoid increasing tensions.

Cynic,

post 64522

I was suggesting you try and engage your brain before shooting your mouth off.

I forgot you have very little brain.

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Mind Wavey Dave needs a few like you in his cabinet.



Probably for pouring the drinks.

RIP, Alf Garnett. Aged 89.



Yes Sir, Mr Warren Mitchell, you did a damn good job with the playing of that TV character and you had us all in stitches. It was as rascist as hell - but it was funny. Or was it? I think we all knew, that 'it was TV and humour' and not 'how it actually was'.

Those 'Alf Garnett days' were the days when you could call a man from Pakistan 'a Paki' and a black man 'a Coon' and without getting into any legal trouble for it.

Looking back on them now, it's a good job they have gone. It wasn't right to say such stuff then and it definitely isn't now.

But back then it was actually rascist for some and so some of it was real. Thank goodness it isn't like that now and TV humour like that is now actually banned. In the banning of it, it does make the world a better place.

And Tanker, you are quite wrong. It's not 'ALL Muslims', it's just some of them committing these current atrocities.

In fact, it is a tiy number of Muslims who are involved in terrorism. A bit like saying Catholics were responsible for the holocaust because Hitler was actually a Catholic.

Life wad so different in Alf Garnett's day, it is amazing to remember that Lenny Henry was in the Black and White Minstrel Show. He said that he was surprised when he looked back on it.

Haystack 14 Nov 2015 12:43 - 64532 of 64534

'Last night there were reports on BBC news that the 'Jungle' immigrant campsite in Calais was on fire. It may have been a revenge attack by the French. It is not being mentioned today, maybe to avoid increasing tensions.'

It is on RT tv
Major fire covering several acres of the 'jungle'.
Reports of many people leaving the 'jungle' in the past weeks because of intimidation from jihadists who had come from Syria and who were stirring things, Trying to get people to be more militant.

https://www.rt.com/uk/321837-shengen-borders-refugee-crisis/

It is in The Mirror. If you Google it, there are quit a few reports. The TV seems to be playing it down

I don't want to change the subject but speed cameras are going to yellow instead of grey.....how about putting a smile on them ?...a bit like a smiley on your mobile with 2 dots as eyes.....they would look great by the roadside...?

Alf....remember the expression...you silly old moo....shocking at first that series....

meanwhile, fred continues his customary pompous, supercilious, meaningless and asinine abuse

Speed cameras are yellow here in London area and have been for years.

I stumbled across a poem, I did not write this ....please don't ask me who wrote it..I don't know : but it fits in well with discussions on here :

I come to England poor and broke,
Go on dole see labour bloke,
Fill in forms, have lots of chatters,
Kind man give me lots of acker's,
I thank him much, and then he say,
Come next week to get more pay,
You come here : we make you wealthy,
Doctor too, to make you healthy,
Six months on dole, get plenty money,
Good pig-meat to fill my tummy,
Send for friends from Pakistan,
Tell them come as quick as can,
Plenty of us on the dole, lovely suit and big bank roll,
National assistance is a boon, all the darkies on it soon,
They come with me we live together, one bad thing the
Bloodyweather, one day white man come inside fisk me
If I wash in tide, I say yes we wash in tide, too
Damn cold to wash outside, all got nicely settled
Down, big fine house in busy town, fourteen families
Living up, fourteen families living down, all are paying
Nice big rent, more in garden live in tent
Soon I send for wife and kids, they won't have to live in
Dig's, six months later big bank-roll, wife want glasses,
Teeth and pills all are free, we get no-bills. White man
Say he pay's all year, to keep the national-assistance here.
Bless all white men big and small,
For paying taxes to keep us all,
We think England damn good place,
Too damn good for white man race,
If he no like coloured man,
Plenty room in Pakistan

(published as written)

Warren Mitchell aka Alf Garnet was actually playing the part of a racist fool ,the joke was on him as he once said in interview .

Manuel.

I was trying to praise you and gave up.
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Just a thought.

I wonder why the UK and other European countries failed to instil the members of previous colonies, which they suppressed and governed for over a 400 year period, with more “humane and moral culture” or “standards” regarding the “life and its needs” on the country they were suppressing?

Why is it that those “terrorist” countries have poorer expectancies than other areas in the world, when their countries seemed previously worth plundering and pillaging for such long periods?

Was there a long time and ongoing failure by the colonists?

What is it that the terrorists which to achieve by their action and why is there a large silent community supporting them?

What are their supporters dissatisfied with and why do they seem to aid them with often little coercion.

Why are the “terrorists” groups able to obtain financing from wealthy donors?

How are they supplied with arms and weapons etc.? (Perhaps, Manuel will suggest that such situations provide good trading and business opportunities.) Demand and supply as the market wishes is good market philosophy.

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When a clone is used by a group to dispatch a “terrorist”, how many innocent bystanders are kill as collateral damage?

Are the benefits of such action likely to be beneficial in the long-term to the instigator of the action?

Looking at Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria has the military interventions by the “West” been beneficial for those countries or the “West”.

Might is often useful but it is not always right and does not necessarily get the outcome you want. (This can be seen from above.)

It is interesting when I would think a coordinated by Europe would be appropriate there many who are trying to destroy the unity of the EU, for satisfaction of their own whims, when more cooperation and well thought out improvement in its organisation would seem more appropriate.

But again in the present situation is a World Situation and Needs more involvement of the United Nations.

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By the way, if it comes to have "boots" on the ground in the M.E. in general how many of you are volunteering members of your own family.

64533 reads like your usual abuse with nary a hint of anything complimentary

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in the light of the mores of the time, the british did a very good job indeed in countries such as india, kenya and several other african countries
i'm afraid the same cannot be said of belgium in the congo

by and large, india has developed this framework, but some african countries in particular, have chosen a different and much "nastier" path ...... rhodesia is an excellent example that was left rich and prosperous and is is now a total wreck

one rather fears for south africa too

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the arms trade has always existed and will continue to do so
you may not like it, but it is a fact of life and will always be so

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it takes very few crazies to disrupt or even destroy the lives of the many, but it takes a great many to destroy the cancer of those few

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FRED
instead of quoting us history the whole time, with your good fortune of unerring (a bit flattering that) hindsight, what action would you now propose being taken against ISIS?

i'm afraid you can't just wish that UN were better co-ordinated and stronger
it's a matter of fact that it is not, and for all sorts of reasons

so, i repeat the question ......
what action would you now propose being taken against ISIS?

What a surprise!

French broadcaster BFMTV said that in addition to a Syrian passport found at the scene of a deadly stadium attack in the north of the city, an Egyptian passport was found close to the body of one of the assailants.

A Greek minister has said that the Syrian passport belonged to someone who had got into the EU via Greece in early October.

hundreds of terrorists from Syria are in Europe coming via Greece

all down to free movement of people no borders more bombs and guns
the eu is to blame . close the borders and send the migrants back put them on ships and then drop them off the shores of turkey .

we do not want the scum and terrorists ,
we were warned that they were coming and the leaders of Europe closed their eyes and ears . build a defence across the channel and shoot on site

when are they going to round up the terrorists in the uk they know who they are
or do they wait for them to kill

Palestine has hundreds of isil fighters living in gaza . and running gaza strip