Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Yvette Fielding - oh dear. lol She may just be voted for plenty of bush tucker trials. :-))

Jeremy Corbyn and his friends need to say whose side they're on

The lawyers and lobbyists who endlessly cluck about 'privacy' and 'human rights' seem happy to make it impossible to fight terrorism



By Norman Tebbit

4:04PM GMT 15 Nov 2015

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No words can adequately condemn the barbarous murder of more than 125 innocent people in Paris on Friday.


The killers must have been completing the preparations for their act of savagery even as the American and British drones were being deployed to hunt down, track and destroy the notorious psychopath "Jihadi John", or Mohammad Emwazi.








"The human right to privacy is important, but the dead have no human rights at all"










Jeremy Corbyn spoke for many of his kind, seeking the headlines for his comment that "Emwazi had been held to account for his callous and brutal crimes," but then watering it down by adding that "it would have been better for all of us if he had been held to account in a court of law."



I presume that he knows that there are no courts of law in the territories held by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, other than the tribunals which supplied victims to "Jihadi John" be beheaded for the cameras. Nor, I think, has Corbyn ever volunteered to lead a Labour delegation to Syria to bring Emwazi to an appropriate court of law. Indeed, so far as we know he has not pressed the Prime Minister or President Obama to send special forces into Syria to extract the man by force.


Yet even if, as Corbyn wanted, Emwazi had been captured, at great risk to those charged with that task, and brought to face justice in a court of law, either here or at The Hague, who would have benefited? Perhaps first of all Emwazi himself, given a platform from which to spew out his insane bile and incite his followers to even greater violence. After that, as usual, the lawyers, wallets bulging, elbows sharpened, would have been struggling to to grab the biggest share of the millions of pounds in legal costs.

Poor things, they will now have to content themselves with a lesser harvest earned in the prosecution of the Paras who were ordered to keep the fragile peace on that terrible day in Londonderry. A pity that there will be no prosecution of IRA men such as McGuiness who was also there on that day but has a guarantee of immunity from justice.

The massacre in Paris has again also sharpened the debate over the admission of hundreds of thousands of migrants from Africa and the Middle East. It can come as no surprise that one of the Paris killers made his way from Syria to Paris posing as a refugee, and I doubt he was alone




Here it should help the Government gain consent for its efforts to protect our cities from an outrage like that in Paris. The outrage of the NUJ at the seizure of the laptop of a BBC Newsnight reporter, Secunder Karmi, who had reported extensively on UK jihadists and which the police believed held information about a member of Isil, jars against the cries of mourning from Paris.

So members of both The Lords and Commons must now examine their consciences and ask themselves which matters most to them. Is it their right to prevent the security services from knowing with whom we all exchange emails, or the right of people not to die at the hands of terrorists?

I have said it before and no doubt will have to say it again: the human right to privacy is important, but the dead have no human rights at all.

Of course during those proceedings it would be no bad thing if Corbyn were pressed to say whether, if he had been prime minister, he would have helped our hindered our American friends kill that British
subject Jihadi John.

Knob !!

Going to be good.

fred - you asked me a question ..... i answered it (in a way) on 64575

Morning Alf.. Thought you were dead -):

as fred said, you should live in hope :-)

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has come under criticism from political allies for her accommodative stance on refugees from the Middle East.

Days after the Paris attacks, Bavarian Finance Minister Markus Soeder, a member of the right-wing Christian Social Union (CSU) party, said the government's open-door policy on refugees was a mistake after a Syrian passport was found near the body of one of the gunmen involved in the co-ordinated attack in the French capital.

Greece has confirmed the holder of the passport passed through its territory as a refugee last month, although it is unclear if the individual was involved in the assault. Another suspected gunman is also reported to have entered Europe the same way.

"The days of uncontrolled immigration and illegal entry can't continue just like that. Paris changes everything," Soeder told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper.

"It is unacceptable that we don't know who arrives in Germany and what these people are doing. We must stop this by all means.

"The CSU stands behind the chancellor, but it would be good if Angela Merkel acknowledged that the opening of the border for an unlimited period of time was a mistake."

Border security

Horst Seehofer, Bavarian state premier and leader of the CSU, said he was concerned terrorists were taking advantage of Germany's welcoming approach to refugees and called for "greater control not just of Europe's borders but also (of) the national borders".

However, he called Soeder's remarks "totally inappropriate" and called on the democrats to stay united, according to the Reuters news agency.

German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere and Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel both cautioned against rushing to making connections between the Paris attacks and the surge of migrants flooding into Europe.

Germany expects a record 800,000 migrants at its borders for the whole of 2015 – four times the number of asylum applications received in 2014 and nearly double the all-time high of 438,000 in 1992. The country absorbs around 40% of all asylum-seekers arriving in the EU – more than any other member state in the 28-nation bloc.

Merkel reiterated the need to strengthen Europe's external borders and vowed to track down and capture the perpetrators of the Paris attacks, which left 129 people dead.

"We owe it to the victims and their relatives, but also for the sake of our own security," she was reported as saying on the sidelines of a G20 summit in Antalya, Turkey, on 15 November. "And we owe it to all the innocent refugees who are fleeing from war and terrorism."

WE NEED TO DO THE SAME ...............

French authorities were carrying out multiple raids in a Paris suburb and in three other cities as French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve promised to crack down on "hate-preaching mosques" across the country.
The raids across the country began on Sunday (15 November) night and were continuing early on Monday (16 November). The anti-terrorism units RAID (Recherche Assistance Intervention Dissuasion) and GIPN (Groupes d'Intervention de la Police Nationale), both tactical units of French federal forces, were leading the crackdown after the Paris attacks.
Local reports suggest several homes in Toulouse, Grenoble and Calais were searched as part of the co-ordinated raids, alongside operations in a Paris suburb. At least three people have been taken into custody. Some reports suggest several arrests were made.
Dozens of police vehicles were seen deployed in the area where the raids occurred. The counter-terror operations began shortly after French jets began pounding Islamic State (Isis) targets in Syria.
In the wake of the co-ordinated attacks in the French capital that killed 129 people, Cazeneuve said the government would begin the "dissolution of mosques where hate is preached", according to the Le Figaro daily. The state of emergency would allow authorities to deal with "preachers of hate" more effectively, he also said.
Anti-Muslim sentiments expressed by right-wing groups are high in France following the Paris attacks for which the Isis has claimed responsibility. Reports suggest France's 7.5% Muslim population, the highest in western Europe, is bracing for a potential backlash.
Cazeneuve has come down heavily on alleged radicalisation centres such as prisons and places of cultural and religious significance since the deadly attack of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in January. France has also increased surveillance at places of worship. No less than 40 imams - Islamic spiritual leaders - have been deported from France since 2012 for spreading hate speeches, with nearly a quarter of those taking place this year.

Doesn't admit to any blame for her appalling decisions and tells me she's more concerned for people she doesn't even know , than for her own people a total disgrace and I hope she pays for it .

And what a surprise one of them came in on a boat via Greece , how many more of them are now in Europe ? it's an absolute disgrace that governments are not keeping their own people safe ..

If you remember ISIL said at the time of her calamity that they had their people in with the refugees . So we can look out now for even poss hundreds of them allover Europe .

Manuel,

I would prefer to think a little longer and listen to the opinion of others who are better informed.

Knee jerk responses would make you look as big a fool as Cameron often seems. (Mind that is probably due to the mob he is trying to please. Thankfully, due to some within his own party he is restrained. )

But for a start consider the cost benefit of changing the Schengen Area border or lack of border controls.

Take a lorry full of British scrap, to be used in Italy, and consider the added costs of doing so.

Consider the delays degradation when transporting some food supplies etc.

Question the costs.

Mind, you could put barbed wire around England and sit back.

Recall Arms crossing the border from SI to NI even though the borders were patrolled.

Look at the smuggling, which went on at that time.

Work out the costs of patrolling the internal borders in Europe and its likely success rates.

How much benefit will be occur against probable losses?

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Increased border controls may reduce the ease of flow of into an out of the UK, but those intent on "terrorism" it the UK will probably circumvent it.

Not saying it shouldn't be examined and viewing should not be continued and modified.

Also, the whole of Europe should accept their responsibilities for the "immigrant problem".

Probably, they each country should have "transit camps" where "fugitives" and other immigrants can be vetted before allowing or refusing entry to that country.

It seems barmy, to me, returning "villains" back to the "bad lands" so that they can be fattened and smartened up to return in a different manner.
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PS.
(A man who doesn't know and learn from his history is a fool.)

It seems barmy, to me, returning "villains" back to the "bad lands" so that they can be fattened and smartened up to return in a different manner.
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That has to be the most stupid statement you have ever posted !!!

JB,

When you find you brain trying engaging it.

Might be a new experience for you!

No jimmy trust me, i know it probably it will surprise nobody, but he has spoken a lot more shite than above. But hey, he will play his silly games, pat on head lump of sugar usually does the trick. :0)

But in the case of Merkel who has really in all honesty invited anyone who just wants to come now , because it's the easy option . Her actions are selfish to her country without considering her own people and they will take the brunt of it . Her people that is . she is to me a traitor .

She had no right to welcome them to the European Union .

So much is conspiring to end the EU ,i can see it coming , sooner the better .

I 'm just wondering if Hollande has actually woken up and realised she's a liability .I hope so

It seems barmy, to me, returning "villains" back to the "bad lands" so that they can be fattened and smartened up to return in a different manner.
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And then you tell me to engage my brain ? just how stupid are you Fred
How would you deal with them give them counseling ?