Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
Haystack
- 02 Dec 2012 23:42
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/europe-threatens-to-withdraw-support-for-israel-over-settlement-building-plans.premium-1.481940
Europe threatens to withdraw support for Israel over settlement building plans
German, Dutch, British, and French envoys communicated their protest over Israel's plan to construct 3,000 housing units in East Jerusalem, as well as other West Bank settlement blocs, announced after UN vote on Palestine.
Europe has been putting heavy diplomatic pressure on Israel to reverse its decision to proceed with development plans for a new neighborhood in the area between Ma’aleh Adumim and Jerusalem, known as the E1 corridor. Since Friday, five senior European ambassadors have communicated strong words of protest to the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem, all bearing the same main message.
Haystack
- 03 Dec 2012 10:16
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/british-official-u-k-may-suspend-trade-agreements-recall-ambassador-over-israel-settlement-expansion.premium-1.482121
British official: U.K. may suspend trade agreements, recall ambassador over Israel settlement expansion
Both Britain and France are reportedly poised to take action over the matter − possibly including the unprecedented step of recalling their ambassadors, according to senior European diplomats.
Haystack
- 03 Dec 2012 23:12
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This is an article about Israel, its real motives and its intentions to take more and more of Palestinian land.
It is written by Noam Chomsky and published today.
It makes very interesting reading. It is well worth reading it all.
http://rabble.ca/news/2012/12/noam-chomsky-significance-un-palestine-vote-and-recent-violence-gaza
cynic
- 04 Dec 2012 07:19
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it will of course be an OPINION and NOT necessarily correct let alone policy ..... however, israel's actions in recent days assuredly merit strong economic sanctions as mere world opprobrium will merely be shrugged off
fahel
- 04 Dec 2012 08:08
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cynic
- 04 Dec 2012 08:17
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shame it's not many more ..... but of course lily-livered USA taking a strong stance instead of just bleating would be the best but FAR too much to hope for
Haystack
- 04 Dec 2012 18:33
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Is this a precursor to a complaint to the ICC?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinians-to-un-israel-must-be-held-accountable-for-settlement-expansion-1.482425
Palestinians to UN: Israel must be held accountable for settlement expansion
Official PA complaint, lodged less than a week after status upgraded, warns that Israeli expansion forebodes further 'war crimes', adds that Israel is behaving 'in a rogue, hostile and arrogant manner'.
The Palestinians accused Israel in a letter to the United Nations of planning to commit further "war crimes" by expanding settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem after the Palestinians won de facto United Nations recognition of statehood and warned that Jerusalem must be held accountable.
In the letter to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the UN Security Council, the Palestinians said Israel was behaving "in a rogue, hostile and arrogant manner, contravening all principles and rules of international law and reacting with contempt to the will of the international community."
cynic
- 04 Dec 2012 18:39
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what you quote above does not REMOTELY equate to war crimes or anything approaching it, much as you obviously wish it did ..... do at least try to be an adult as objectivity is clearly beyond you , as you admit
Haystack
- 04 Dec 2012 19:11
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Here is the same story as reported by the Jerusalem Post. Note the use of the phrase 'war crime'.
It is a war crime because it contravenes The Geneva Convention, which states that it is not permissible to settle your own people in a country that you are occupying. The situation is quite clear
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=294596
In letter to UN Sec.-Gen. Ban, Palestinians say Israel is a "rogue state" and call settlement expansion a "war crime";
Haystack
- 04 Dec 2012 19:13
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Cynic
Look at my previous post 6485 about article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention.
"Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the protection of civilian persons in time of war states: "The occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own population into the territories it occupies."
cynic
- 04 Dec 2012 19:32
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if you say so .... you are clearly getting back to your old bad habits and no longer worth reading
Haystack
- 04 Dec 2012 19:59
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Here is the actual text of article 49 of the Geneva Convention
Part III : Status and treatment of protected persons #Section III : Occupied territories
ARTICLE 49
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebART/380-600056
This is the last sentence
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
.........
Hence a war crime.
Haystack
- 04 Dec 2012 20:13
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United Nations (UN) Security Council Resolution 465 (1980): “Israel’s policy and practices of settling parts of its population and new immigrants in [the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem] constitute a flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention… and a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East.” The resolution calls on Israel to “dismantle the existing settlements.”
Haystack
- 04 Dec 2012 20:14
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The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court of 1998 (Article 8(b)(viii)) defines “the transfer directly or indirectly by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies” as a War Crime indictable by the International Criminal Court.
Haystack
- 04 Dec 2012 20:34
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An interesting vote today at the UN bearing in mind that Israel doesn't want Iran to have nuclear weapons, but has had its own since 1967 and always refuses inspection.
The United Nations passed, Tuesday, an overwhelming vote calling for inspecting Israel nuclear facilities, and called on Israel to open its facilities for this inspection especially since Tel Aviv never allowed international inspectors access to its nuclear facilities.
The vote passed with 174 votes for the inspection, while six countries voted against, and six abstentions. The vote also calls on Israel to join the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty without further delay.
The countries that voted against the resolution were Israel, the United States, Canada, Palau, Micronesia, and the Marshall Islands.
It is worth mentioning that Israel, along with Pakistan, India and North Korea, refuses to become members of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.
ptholden
- 04 Dec 2012 21:42
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Not really worth mentioning at all. Possession of nuclear weapons is perhaps the only reason Israel hasn't been destroyed by its sworn enemies.
You need to take a break from this subject Greg, you're as rabid as the loons in Israel and what little remains of Palestine. No perspective, no objectivity and no sense.
Haystack
- 04 Dec 2012 22:37
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Possession of nuclear weapons has made no difference to Israel's existence, It is the support of the US that has saved Israel, mainly due to supplying advanced weapons and almost limitless funds when they request them. Israel got nuclear weapons as a result of the various conflicts they had been involved in up to 1967. As it turned out, they have never needed nuclear weapons. The idea of Israel detonating a nuclear bomb anywhere in the ME is somewhat absurd. It is really no deterrent at all. They seem to feel possessing a nuclear deterrent gives them the balance of power in the region. That may be be a better explanation of why they don't want Iran to have it.
Israel is an expanding colonial country of the worst kind. Nothing they say can ever be trusted. Peace talks are just delaying tactics as they scoop up more and more land.
Haystack
- 04 Dec 2012 23:47
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This is a bit more like it!
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/merkel-to-warn-netanyahu-promote-peace-process-or-face-world-seclusion-1.482465
Merkel to warn Netanyahu: Promote peace process or face world seclusion
Prime minister to meet German chancellor in Berlin on Wednesday evening
Merkel is expected to tell Netanyahu that he must choose between promoting the peace process and establishing a Palestinian state, a move that would secure the existence of Israel as a Jewish democratic state, or continue expanding settlements, thus leading to the transformation of Israel into an apartheid state that is isolated internationally.
Dil
- 05 Dec 2012 02:42
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Haystack , your begining to make Fred sound reasonable.
What's your problem with Israel ?
Would you rather the nutters in Palestine/Syria etc have nuke capabilities than them ?
Put yourself in their position and tell us what you would do different.
cynic
- 05 Dec 2012 07:07
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HS (and his handler fahel) is incapable of even a modicum of objectivity and thus, to my mind and seemingly many others, loses virtually all credibility ..... for this reason, i stayed away from this thread for many months as it really was too tedious going round and round with the same mantra being incessantly repeated