Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

fred you are a misfit get those daughters a job instead of begging

The End of Jewish Power

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-end-of-jewish-power-1.html

Israeli soldiers shooting at farmers in Khuza´a, Gaza Strip. 12/12/2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rYxZ2lVZca8

The New Zealand Superannuation Fund, which invests money on behalf of New Zealand’s government, announced on December 12 that it is divesting from Israeli billionaire Lev Leviev’s company Africa Israel and its construction subsidiary Danya Cebus over their construction of Israeli settlements.

Fred1new - 05 Dec 2012 10:37 - 6521 of 6562

Dil,


It would be "from one tin pot nation to another"!

You are being your usual obtuse self.



No Fred we are not a tin pot nation , nice duck and dive. I repeat , are you in favour of us selling our nuclear technology to the highest bidder ????

Had to look up obtuse so guess I am (you wish) :-)

Haystack - 05 Dec 2012 12:48 - 6527 of 6563

It is interesting that Israel has always refused to sign the non-proliferation treaty and continues to do so. That is hypocritical in the extreme when they say that Iran should not have nuclear weapons. Iran should say to Israel that they will not get nuclear weapons if Israel gives them up. The atomic energy authority keeps being refused inspection of Iran's facilities, but of course they also get refused permission to inspect Israel's. On that basis, I think it is only reasonable for Iran to be allowed to have the weapons as well.




How the f*ck can Israel sign the non proliferation contract if it denies having them ???

Geez if there was one country in the world I would trust on not selling nuclear capabilities (if they had them) it would be Israel !

Haystack , who the feck do you think they might sell it to ?

... no condemnation of N Korea or the China veto so guess some of you non proliferation supporters are either Korean sympathisers or Chinese.


This thread is a joke.

Dil.

Even you are funny sometimes!

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Perhaps, the majority of countries are realising the condemnation of a country from wishing to have, or having the same goodies as they themselves are holding, is hypocritical and will have little influence.

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unfortunately Fred, as even you would probably admit, though the "non proliferation" clique is strongly based on those who have, there are very good reasons indeed why it would be frighteningly dangerous for the likes of iran, north korea or even pakistan to be given free rein and,by definition, help in developing nuclear weapons

of course things are never as they appear on the surface, and the chinese opposition is nothing whatsoever to do with altruism or similar

Cynic,

I am not advocating the proliferation of "nuclear weapons", but I can see why certain nations "want them".

I would prefer that no country had them, but certainly would not restrict "peaceful uses" of the "technology".


I wonder whether the leaders of the countries you list are any "madder" or less responsible than Bush, Blair, Putin, or others if they were pushed.


Remember the last major threat to the use of such weapons was by Kennedy and thankfully Khrushchev had the "courage" to back off.

Also remember that USA use depleted Uranium in Iraq because it was effective.

I agree International politics stinks sometimes (majority), but I think this is partially due to us being made aware of the smell more quickly due to the media.

It is not just about nuclear non-proliferation. It is about the lack of transparency and inspection. Israel has never allowed the IAEA to inspect their facilities and it is extreme hypocrisy for them to complain abut Iran's nuclear developments.

Hays,

Does USA allow inspection of all its "research" facilities?

Hypocrisy is everywhere, so I am told.

Even hypocritical myself.

Thank the lord I am able to laugh at myself sometimes.

(You haven't got to thank him, if you can do the same.)

Albeit i totally sympathy and cry those innocents who were massacred in such brutality and inhumanity , i must ask all (especially in the Middle East ) who condemned this crime , doesn't this happen everyday to kids in Palestine and for the past 60 years , isn't happening to kids in Syria , Iraq ... or we're just too damn used to it, that we don't see it as horrible as these one offs Again Media prevails

fahel - why must you always thump the drum for your little pets?

Cynic,

He is pointing to the manipulation of the media and its outlet.

But, what is considered important, or relevant enough for the "head lines" is often based on whether it will grab the public attention and the financial advantages overt, or covert, of their presentation.

Fred1new - 14 Dec 2012 15:38 - 6566 of 6573

Dil.

Even you are funny sometimes!

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Perhaps, the majority of countries are realising the condemnation of a country from wishing to have, or having the same goodies as they themselves are holding, is hypocritical and will have little influence.

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Fred I'm funny all the time but you still haven't answered my question.

Are you suggesting we sell to the highest bidder yes or no ?

Haystack - 14 Dec 2012 21:53 - 6569 of 6574

It is not just about nuclear non-proliferation. It is about the lack of transparency and inspection. Israel has never allowed the IAEA to inspect their facilities and it is extreme hypocrisy for them to complain abut Iran's nuclear developments.



Stop talking bollox Haystack. As far as I'm aware to this day Israel have never admitted having nuclear weapons although the whole world know they do. Unlike Iran they have never threatened to nuke another country even though they have the capability.

Personally I believe that Iran's nuke capability is non exisistent and if they ever get anywhere near being a threat Israel will sort it (on behalf of the rest of the world but without their official backing).

I'm happy with that.

silly q no doubt, but has iaea ever asked let alone demanded to inspect israel's nuclear instalations?

Dil,

My previous response would suggest I would prefer Non-proliferation of Nuclear Armaments and would not therefore propose sales to any bidders.

But the hope is an irrelevance in the present international world.


I would not sell "drugs" to "kids" either.

"Personally I believe that Iran's nuke capability is non exisistent and if they ever get anywhere near being a threat Israel will sort it (on behalf of the rest of the world but without their official backing)."


Sheer madness. Impractical. They would be signing their own death sentence.

Even if they Israel has the capability, the ME would go up like a tinder box and the furnace would destroy Israel as a realistic entity.

Consider the response sooner, or later, of countries surrounding Iran of Nuclear fallout and then the response of the World to the very existence of Israel.

Unless, the Israeli administration comes to its senses over negotiations rather than being immature bully boys then they will remain political pariahs.

That doe not mean that other countries and groups in the ME do not have to reform, or "grow up", and negotiate sensibly, with all parties holding to agreements when signed.