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Northern Rock (NRK)     

irlee57 - 13 Aug 2007 09:03

any comments, thoughts, on this stock.

mitzy - 16 Sep 2007 12:27 - 66 of 1029

The future looks bleak Strawbs..

Guscavalier - 16 Sep 2007 14:00 - 67 of 1029

I would not be surprised if we see a takeover very soon. It is probably being hammered out over this weekend. The authorities will not want this situation to fester in view of the risk the lack of confidence will spread. The majority of the NRK withdrawn money will probably find its way to the main clearers and it is ironic that some of these funds will be buying up NRK at distressed levels. The Company may be bought out via an all share issue of the predator Bank if terms are suitable more to the acquirer than NRK. Again, ironically, funds may then flow back in. As for the current NRK sp, they may well retreat further but, I am getting near to taking a punt.

seawallwalker - 16 Sep 2007 16:26 - 68 of 1029

As a punter who sold his NRK 4 hours before the loan was announced to the general public, I feel mighty relieved.

And no I did not know this was coming I felt uneasy with the holding so sold it..

Here is the lates news.

*British bank Northern Rock faces break-up talk
4 hours ago

LONDON (AFP) Troubled British bank Northern Rock was the subject of break-up rumours on Sunday as it sought to reassure panicking customers and investors following an emergency bail-out by the Bank of England.

Northern Rock's share price slumped by almost a third on Friday on news of the emergency loan, and the lender's chief executive conceded in a newspaper interview Sunday that this made it a takeover target.

"Our share price has come off 30 percent," Adam Applegarth was quoted as saying by the weekly Sunday Telegraph. "You have got to be vulnerable if your share price has come down. It's up to the bidders to make a bid."

The paper said that one rescue plan involved carving up Northern Rock's mortgage book -- totalling 100 billion pounds (145 billion euros, 200 billion dollars) -- and distributing it amongst other lenders.

Meanwhile, the Mail on Sunday, quoting senior banking figures, said rival banking groups would wait before making a move.

The likes of Barclays, HSBC, Lloyds TSB, Royal Bank of Scotland and French bank Credit Agricole would wait "until their rival is on the point of collapse so they can pick it up for a song," the paper said.

Worried customers besieged Northern Rock branches on Friday and Saturday to withdraw their savings -- despite assurances from politicians, regulators and the bank itself that it would not fall victim to the global credit squeeze.

More of the same was widely expected when the bank's branches reopen for business on Monday.

The Sunday Times newspaper predicted Northern Rock could see 12 billion pounds -- or about half of its deposits -- walk out of the door.

"The question is why wouldn't you take your money out and put it somewhere else," the newspaper quoted one senior banker as saying.

The bank is the first major British financial institution to reveal a serious reaction to the global credit crunch sparked last month by a crisis in the US subprime, or high-risk, mortgage sector.

Commercial banks are nervous about lending to each other because of fears centered on bad investments linked to US home loans. That sentiment has led to a shortage of cash for banks like Northern Rock to lend to customers.

"In light of the continuing extreme global liquidity crisis, which is impacting markets around the world, we have had to slow down our lending activities and will continue to do so until markets normalise," Northern Rock told customers on its website.

In response to the question "Are my savings safe?", the bank said: "Yes. Our relationships with our customers are of paramount importance to us and there will be no change to your account or the service we will provide to you.

David Cameron, leader of Britain's main opposition Conservatives, accused Prime Minister Gordon Brown of failing to rein in borrowing during his decade as finance minister from 1997.

"This government has presided over a huge expansion of public and private debt without showing awareness of the risks involved," Cameron wrote in the Sunday Telegraph.

Finance minister Alistair Darling said Cameron was "jumping on a bandwagon" in an interview with Sky News, adding that the British economy would weather recent developments.

"If you look at the British economy, it is strong, it's been growing now for over ten years. We've had shocks in the past ... and we carried on growing when others faltered.

"Yes, what has happened in America will have an effect in other parts of the world but I am confident that the fundamentals of our economy are sound.

Northern Rock's share price closed down 31.46 percent at 438 pence on Friday"

The shares could end up next to worthless imo

Guscavalier - 16 Sep 2007 17:06 - 69 of 1029

thanks seawallwalker- reflecting on this further we may well see the sp suspended while awaiting an announcement. We shall see.

cynic - 16 Sep 2007 17:47 - 70 of 1029

certainly too diifcult to call as either buy or short .... could move in either direction quite dramatically

seawallwalker - 16 Sep 2007 18:04 - 71 of 1029

cynic there is no way this is a buy under any circumstances now.

Whatever happens and I go along with a break up by auction of assets, the people who will loose out will be the shareholders.

They may loose everything imo.

Just wait for the next one, there will be rumors about B&B and AL., so if you feel the need to short anything do them!

They currently do not need the finance being built on a better model so there will come a point where they will be a screaming buy.

Not yet though.

cynic - 16 Sep 2007 19:38 - 72 of 1029

looking at the table in Sunday Times, AL looks quite well down the list of exposed banks, so it may well be that the self-off the shares encountered last week is well overdone.

Strawbs - 16 Sep 2007 20:36 - 73 of 1029

Haven't seen the Sunday Times but I feel a Rumsfeld moment coming on....

There are banks in positions we know, and banks in positions we think we know, but there could also be banks in positions we don't know, and banks in positions we think we know but in fact we don't know...... The balance of probabilities are, that due to creative accounting, what we thought we knew we didn't really know at all......... I know that'll make sense to at least one person on the planet.....

Strawbs. :-)

halifax - 16 Sep 2007 20:36 - 74 of 1029

Surely NRK's shares will be or should be suspended during the current uncertainty.

hlyeo98 - 16 Sep 2007 20:42 - 75 of 1029

Suspension would not help...it will make the public lose even more confidence. Online banking was halted on Friday. Suspension will only temporary delay the drop.

halifax - 16 Sep 2007 20:53 - 76 of 1029

Suspension would give NRK and the authorities time to sort out this mess and might allow shareholders to salvage something from the wreckage. Depositors (including those who are not SUN readers ) will not regain confidence as long as there are long lines of customers outside NRK branches trying to withdraw their life savings.

hlyeo98 - 16 Sep 2007 21:10 - 77 of 1029

The mess has already been done. The only way out would be a total flush out of the CEO Adam Applegarth and its board of directors. They should all resign.

seawallwalker - 16 Sep 2007 21:27 - 78 of 1029

hlyeo98 I go along with that view, and I still think that sh1T will stick even if there is only a little thrown.

Northern Rock was the 5th biggest bank, and where are they now?

Find out next week.

No I think there may be trouble ahead for similar companies even if they don't deserve it.

halifax - 16 Sep 2007 21:39 - 79 of 1029

Is it a good idea for the captain and his officers to walk the plank at this stage as they and only they know the true financial state of NRK? Better to suspend the shares temporarily as then depositors wont be reading headlines in the media on Tuesday that NRK shares crash again.

seawallwalker - 16 Sep 2007 21:48 - 80 of 1029

I read at the FT, the shares will not be suspended becuase they are not subject of rumour or gossip, it's the facts and they will find their true level.

No prediction here, but I do recall a rebranding of Marconi at a penny a share and Barrings which was sold for a quid.

Dare say there are more, and it may not happen here, but lets face it, why should any rescue attempt pay anything more than a bargain price to cover the problem.

Enough from me today I will se what tomorrow brings.

I will be thinking of holders who may think they are locked in, it will be a difficult week I think.

halifax - 16 Sep 2007 21:51 - 81 of 1029

I believe any quoted company can request suspension of its shares and the LSE is required to maintain an orderly market in FTSE stocks.

foale - 16 Sep 2007 22:40 - 82 of 1029

Bank of England lender of last resort.....will any bank ever use that in the way that NRK did...I think not...

they will find other ways of dressing up bridging finance....

seawallwalker - 16 Sep 2007 23:50 - 83 of 1029

Okay halifax, we will see what transpires.

Good night all.

cynic - 17 Sep 2007 08:12 - 84 of 1029

so much for my thought yesterday that AL were already oversold .... down about 110 this morning ...... meanwhile NRK has been hammered by a further 140

seawallwalker - 17 Sep 2007 08:15 - 85 of 1029

As I said there will be slurs on their peers.

AL and BB. taking a beating.

This will will continue.

short postions only on these just now, (says he stating the obvious).
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