Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Robbed from across the road..

that's a great cartoon, regardless of whether you agree with the sentiment


fred - surely the trouble with homemade ginger beer and similar is that you have to keep making it for otherwise the mother yeast dies? ....... or is that another bit of cynic crap?

Are you sure it's Ginger beer , I would have thought that he sucked a LEMON first thing every morning , just to set himself up for the day .

Manuel.


To be honest, I was leg pulling.

From memory, as a boy, I did make Ginger beer and kept it going for a month or two by using a couple of spoonfuls of the "old" brew.

In a way similar to making a sourdough starter which I sometimes use for making bread.

I keep it in the fridge, but my problem is remembering to wake it up a day before I want to use it.

i never made it, but there were plenty of anecdotal stories of bottles exploding everywhere ...... ditto making your own beer

Aldwickkk..(post6694)......of course yes I voted to leave.....as we are paying too much to be part of the EU....and too many illegal immigrants here....

so did i though prhaps not for the same reasons

however, untying the gordian knot was never going to be easy or quick, whatever the unthinking (brainless?) knobheads may choose to imagine

I do remember the home-made ginger beer my mum made when I was a kid, used to give me terrible guts ache. It did look to be absolutely vile stuff, fermenting away in a large glazed pottery panchion underneath a tea cloth in the kitchen. But after decanting it did taste truly marvellous.

To my best recollection, she used fresh yeast, which resembled stiff beige margarine, for each brew. I don't recollect, that it was alcoholic, although it probably might well have been about 3-5%. She used to keep it in old glass stoppered lemonade bottles, which did fizz quite a bit when you gently opened them. None exploded though.

Nigel criticises the EU's response to our Article 50, calls the EU 'the Mafia', gets a rebuke and so changes it to 'gangsters':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=FnOUSYu2Tz0

As to the EU asking us for £50B to pay a debt to go, he reminds them, that the very building in which everyone is now sitting was built partly with UK money - and so we obviously own a share of it - so they should be paying money back to us as we leave!

As usual, he is completely on the button with his remarks and extremely watchable.

And here's Nigel making some more very important points on topics, such as loss of our electricity industry, steel industry, refining industry and more, all because of EU rules. (He also mentions the high sugar content of 'ginger beer' towards the end too):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KaGx8cWMHk

And not only the industry losses but the jobs that went with them too.

You could use "any" yeast to ferment the sugar in the "ginger" beer mix.

Homemade can be fermented up to 10-11% alcohol, but usually ends up 2-4% onr less.

In the distant past, Ginger Beer PLANTS could be bought from food Markets and consisted of Ground dry ginger and baker's or brewer's yeast (variety).

(Basically, a profitable con.)

Just a starter for the other ingredients you had to add.

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Almost feel like making once again.

Could set up a stall.

Perhaps, I will make my grandson an excuse for doing so.

Some people talk a lot of Bull in order to get their aim, it reminds me of "Freda"..........

The Daily Telegraph:
The head of JP Morgan has admitted he will not move many jobs out of Britain in the next two years as a result of Brexit,
in a U-turn on his pre-referendum warning that a vote to leave the European Union could mean as many as 4,000 jobs
moving across the Channel.

Yet another one (J. Dimon) whose threats to try and frighten people into voting Remain turned out to be nothing more than bluster.

Spreading a little human misery around like a professional carpetbagger.

A BIT LIKE YOU FREDA .

I'm off to show my support for gibraltAr.

A former beauty queen has become Gibraltar's youngest-ever mayor, and immediately declared the territory "will always be British"
Kaiane Lopez, 30, is a former Miss World and was declared mayor of the territory on Tuesday.
She said "I am proud to be British. Gibraltar is British and always will be. Why would we ever want to change our flag.
Local media has described Ms Lopez as "the most beautiful mayor in the world".

"Watch out for the troll,
For the troll, for the troll.
Watch out for the troll,
The big, bad troll."

OCD eh .

It,

I hope you are not using PacNet.

Economist Intelligence Unit analysts assessed the stance of the remaining 27 member states and generated a score out of 40.

A shock index showed the majority of EU members want to punish the UK and believe the UK’s withdrawal from Brussels must be costly and that any trade agreements when departing have be worse for Britain than the country's current deal.

Each member state was also placed into three groups including “hard-core”, “hard” and “soft”.

Bulgaria and Romania were placed in the “hard-core” section, over concerns about free movement and the budget. While Angela Merkel’s Germany was also seen as a “hard-core” country over its fears for the future of the EU.

Among Britain’s allies in the “soft” category were Nordic countries Sweden and Denmark who agree with Britain’s grievances over European Union regulation and trade.

The Baltic states including Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania and Poland, who fear Russian aggression, were also ranked in as allies of the UK.

Their “soft” stance comes as British troops are stationed on the Polish border in a bid to stop Russian president Vladimir Putin grabbing more Baltic land following his annexation of the Crimea.

France has been named as the nation who wants to punish Britain most of all, with the highest score in the index at 32.5.

The result echoes the hardline stance Paris has taken with Britain, with President Francois Hollande recently demanding the UK pays a £50billion divorce bill before Brussels bosses are willing to talk Brexit negotiations.

According to a new index, the EU27 countries fall into three groups: hard-core, hard and soft. These are the countries with the highest scores which indicate a fairly strong opposition to Britain’s position:



Belgium: Guy Verhofstadt said “The only winners from a Brexit would be Nigel Farage and Vladimir Putin; who would relish a divided Europe.”

ROMANIA: Klaus Werner Iohannis will defend the rights of 400,000 Romanians in Britain

SLOVAKIA: president Andrej Kiska. Slovakia will be preside over Brexit negotiations

Members were also ranked on how for and against they were on certain exit factors facing the UK.

All nations were against Britain escaping the clutches of Brussels by paying a low divorce bill. But the nations most against Britain paying a low charge were Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Netherlands, Romania, Slovakia, Spain and Sweden.

All nations were also against Britain 'cherry picking' from the four EU freedoms, but Denmark was least bothered.

The members staunchly against Britain adhering to just some of the EU principles were Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia and Spain.

There was some good news for Britain, with a number of nations wanting to keep trade and security ties with Britain, potentially highlighting the EU's weak spots for negotiations.

No countries were totally against low or no trade barriers between the EU and Britain.

And nine countries were listed as wanting to keep trade links. They were Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Greece, Ireland, Netherlands, Poland, Spain and Sweden.

Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Poland, Romania and Sweden wanted to sustain defence ties, according to the region.

The remaining states were indifferent.