Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Joint enterprise is not about being a member of the group in a murder. That would in most cases still be murder. It is about being present and not having prior knowledge of the intentions to murder or have a reasonable expectation of murder being committed.

Bentley would not be convicted now. Firstly, he was of reduced mental capacity and had no idea that the other guy had a gun.

Definition.
Joint enterprise is a powerful prosecuting tool applied so that more than one person - often a group - can be charged with the same crime if it can be proved that they were in some way "in it together". It applies even though the suspects may have played different parts in the alleged offence.

I don't see anything about prior knowledge etc, which is difficult to prove anyhow. The act is fact, although there may be degrees of participation in the act, as said in the definition.

That is not the legal definition.

The defense against joint enterprise is lack of prior knowledge and not having the expectation of the crime being committed.

Good article EL, nicked :-)

Sums it up well, but we will have to see what Dave comes back with.

If it's as outlined, the so called renegotiation will be shown for what it is.

I know of someone who gave a lift a couple of his friends to collect some money from someone. He also had another friend with him who stayed in the car. When they arrived one stayed in the car and the other three went to the house. The guy at the house would not give the money. One of the two guys who wanted the money pulled a replica gun. The guy that I know tried to stop things getting out of hand. They left and the guy in the house called the police. All four were arrested. They all spent 6 months on remand in prison. Two were charged with joint enterprise and were found innocent in court when the police offered no evidence.

You seem to suffer from strange companions!

Day by day now I do wonder if H/S is posting behind bars.

He should be!

Stan
The point is that they were just average people who gave a couple of people a lift. Very easy to get involved with joint enterprise by accident and have no actual involvement. They were both at a good university and in the process of taking their final exams. Because of the stupidity of the police and CPS they have both had to repeat their final years. It could happen to anyone. That is why the Supreme Court overturned convictions of joint enterprise. It is too easily used by the police as is conspiracy.

Two polls from MORI and ICM yesterday show remain ahead

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9634

It wont when Dave comes back with a washout deal.


Boris is waiting.

Can't help feeling that that north Korean leader Kim Jong-Un is going to end up by being retired by his proche generals....you can't bump off all the main figure heads of a state like that without repercussions....if that happened there might be a glorious reunification of the two Koreas !...

I think that unfortunately the public will be too frightened to leave. The terms of the deal will be forgotten in a few days and then it will be about fear.

There's no deal, so far.

Maybe Dave is holding out?

Perhaps DC will grow a pair, tell the EU where to go and campaign for the LEAVE camp.
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Pigs might fly too.

It's obvious the €urobeans don't want to give even the mild reforms asked for.

The idea that you could rely on the goodwill of the the other €urovision contestants is so absurdly optimistic as to be laughable.


Why is Dave wasting his time?

I would think many of the EU are fed up with the arrogance of Dave and his mates attempting to tell them what they should do.

The negotiating methods resemble the approach to the Raj.

Jumped up little englanders comes to mind!

What about the statement from the Austrian Chancellor that ''we are a democratic country, no one can force us to do something.''
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