Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Yes, but what has the German car industry and all those jobs got to do with it?

Trade between the €urozone/blighty is running at about 2/1 in their favour.


But they wont give a toss, and will erect trade barriers cos it's political, common sense don't come into it (at first)

Personally I do not think they will do anything, all talk at the moment. The whole EU outfit has not got long to survive in my view, even if we are in or out. Again I say the whole idea was mad and was doomed from the outset. Perhaps it was set up Germany to rule Europe. Can't work, can never work.

It just depends on what you want out of the EU..

If you want more immigration, then vote to stay. If you want more rules and regulations, then vote to stay. If you are happy to lose the country's sovereignity, then vote to stay. If you are happy to give a NET 10-11 billion pounds a year, then vote to stay.


IF YOU'RE totally against ALL the above... THEN VOTE TO LEAVE!!!

Its also the consequences of leaving that are very important, or in other words the UNKNOWN.

pretty much what DC says
i could argue both sides pretty effectively, or at least in my own mind

HARRYCAT its the small and medium sized companies that employ the most workers, simply because there is more of them.

The big multi nationals have the biggest influence in Brussels because they have/pay lobbiest to push their causes...Juncker was prime minister of Luxenburg when he was devising tax scams for mult-nationals.

Yes Cynic. I am sure out, But I do not think there is any politician/think tank that truthfully can tell us the consequences of this action. As said above, it may only be a few months before all countries are out. I tend to think Finland is doing very well out, but our economy is different to theirs.

Arguing in your own mind cynic , not very healthy !!!

it's called sensible considerationand deliberation ..... further it doesn't have the likes of fred blathering in there ...... if it were otherwise, i'ld be very worried indeed

You shouldn't think too much either DC .

You know Fred doesn't have an opinion .

even more reason to be worried if he was blathering in my head!

I'm getting too much sun. :-)) Why bother coming home, you have to ask ?

That's me . lol

Unemployment rates in the Euro-zone
Germany 6.2% Lowest rate since Reunification
Euro Average 8.9%
France 10.3%
Austria 10.4%
Italy 11.5%
Portugal 12.2%
Spain 20.9%
Greece 24.6%

Since 1999 when the single currency was introduced it has certainly benefited Germany at the expense of Greece, Spain and Portugal, (Indeed most other members) The one-size fits all suits Germany.

Greece is surely never going to repay its loans or indeed recover. They are in a very bad way.

Yes they are and Europe has all but abandoned them .
Merkel invites the middle east to Europe and when she realises the problem she has caused leaves it to Greece ,disgusting.
I like Greece ,i have been to many of the islands including those that are now migrant camps ,the Greek people are generally good ,i really feel for them.

‘This is all a German racket designed to take over the whole of Europe.


‘It has to be thwarted. This rushed takeover by the Germans on the worst possible basis, with the French behaving like poodles to the Germans, is absolutely intolerable . . . I’m not against giving up sovereignty in principle, but not to this lot.


You might just as well give it up to Adolf Hitler, frankly.’



N. Ridley


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2680183/Is-EU-just-German-racket-Europe-Nearly-25-years-ago-Tory-minister-told-DOMINIC-LAWSON-lost-job-firestorm-followed-right-along.html

Interesting Max, very sad jimmy for the youngsters of the country as well.