irlee57
- 13 Aug 2007 09:03
any comments, thoughts, on this stock.
skinny
- 12 Oct 2007 15:24
- 685 of 1029
Level II certainly interesting atm.
skinny
- 12 Oct 2007 15:26
- 686 of 1029
cynic
- 12 Oct 2007 20:25
- 687 of 1029
like the chart skinny .... let it be a lesson for any who want to dabble in NRK .... all totally but totally unpredictable, and the gyrations are truly wild
hlyeo98
- 12 Oct 2007 23:38
- 688 of 1029
I am totally wrong today
cynic
- 13 Oct 2007 09:04
- 689 of 1029
almost impossible to be right except by pure chance .... my gut feeling would be to short at 300, but then i equally said i could not see anyone buying the charred remains in the first place!
Big Al
- 13 Oct 2007 09:50
- 690 of 1029
Valuations these days are strange as I've alluded to before. buying highly leveraged outfits is acceptable fundamentals, which is why the ultra bears of 2-3 weeks ago were burnt. ;-0
A lesson for all methinks.
richardbees
- 13 Oct 2007 12:41
- 691 of 1029
blimey, that's not a chart, it's the ECG of someone sneezing!
hlyeo98
- 13 Oct 2007 13:08
- 692 of 1029
r u a doctor?
mitzy
- 14 Oct 2007 06:59
- 693 of 1029
Branson to offer less than zero for the shares.....ie shareholders will have to pay him to bail out northern rock.
hlyeo98
- 14 Oct 2007 08:40
- 694 of 1029
You are right, mitzy...
From The Sunday Times - October 14, 2007
Theres a chance Northern Rock is worth zero - John Waples, Business Editor
AS much as I would like to see a quick solution to Northern Rocks plight, I fear such a goal will be impossible. The farce surrounding the rescue of the stricken bank is doing untold damage to Britains reputation abroad, but there are now too many parties with entrenched interests to allow a quick deal to progress.
Sir Richard Bransons Virgin Group is the latest potential saviour, but the tough talking hasnt even started. Bransons proposal involves a huge dilution of existing Northern investors to under 50% of the companys equity and we dont even know what value he is putting on the shares yet.
Some of Britains smartest hedge funds have taken diametrically opposed views of the banks value. And there is a strong possibility that despite the takeover speculation that has pumped up the price to 273p, its real value could be close to zero. If an offer is made, an almighty tussle will break out between different shareholder factions.
In the end Northern might even be left on the shelf, close itself to new business and put its mortgage book into run-off. This would allow it to slowly repay the 13 billion government loan it has so far been handed. This week it is the Northern Rock boards turn to go before the Treasury committee.
More fingers will get pointed, but what we are discovering is Northerns collapse is not down to individual failing but a systemic one. And at the heart of it is the way the Bank of England, the Financial Services Authority and the Treasury have failed to get a grip on a problem that is exposing them to ever greater charges of incompetence every day this continues.
mitzy
- 14 Oct 2007 08:49
- 695 of 1029
Incredible wheres all the money gone and massive dilution for the shareholders who will be left with 50p a share if anything..
Falcothou
- 14 Oct 2007 08:49
- 696 of 1029
Noted from yesterday's paper that Kasakhstan and Spain are on the brink of Northern Rockitis
cynic
- 14 Oct 2007 09:08
- 697 of 1029
The Spanish property market is in all sorts opf trouble i believe, not least because there is so much corruption and crookery involved in many of the developments - e.g. "free title" to your property actually not being so
aldwickk
- 14 Oct 2007 09:27
- 698 of 1029
Cynic,
I was thinking that 300 would be a price to short, as RAB has said they value it at 600 'ish. so your lost would be around 100 but the shares could fall to zero.
cynic
- 14 Oct 2007 10:13
- 699 of 1029
confess greed and adrenalin may persuade me to be foolish! .... very very bad logic as i would tell anyone else
skinny
- 14 Oct 2007 11:37
- 700 of 1029
In the words of UB40 - Only fools rush in. Anyone tempted by this atm should be treating it as a pure out and out gamble and only "betting" pin money.
cynic
- 14 Oct 2007 12:29
- 701 of 1029
you are absolutely correct and if i or anyone else is stupid enough to take the plunge, either long or short, then they know who is to blame when all ends in tears
hlyeo98
- 14 Oct 2007 16:35
- 702 of 1029
Do u think Monday is a good time to short,cynic?
cynic
- 14 Oct 2007 16:46
- 703 of 1029
certainly better than a friday! ...... IF i do it, and not at all sure that i shall (and certainly shouldn't!), then would really like to see 295/300 which was the very recent high
hlyeo98
- 15 Oct 2007 08:16
- 704 of 1029
down 50 p to 220p