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Northern Rock (NRK)     

irlee57 - 13 Aug 2007 09:03

any comments, thoughts, on this stock.

Guscavalier - 16 Sep 2007 17:06 - 69 of 1029

thanks seawallwalker- reflecting on this further we may well see the sp suspended while awaiting an announcement. We shall see.

cynic - 16 Sep 2007 17:47 - 70 of 1029

certainly too diifcult to call as either buy or short .... could move in either direction quite dramatically

seawallwalker - 16 Sep 2007 18:04 - 71 of 1029

cynic there is no way this is a buy under any circumstances now.

Whatever happens and I go along with a break up by auction of assets, the people who will loose out will be the shareholders.

They may loose everything imo.

Just wait for the next one, there will be rumors about B&B and AL., so if you feel the need to short anything do them!

They currently do not need the finance being built on a better model so there will come a point where they will be a screaming buy.

Not yet though.

cynic - 16 Sep 2007 19:38 - 72 of 1029

looking at the table in Sunday Times, AL looks quite well down the list of exposed banks, so it may well be that the self-off the shares encountered last week is well overdone.

Strawbs - 16 Sep 2007 20:36 - 73 of 1029

Haven't seen the Sunday Times but I feel a Rumsfeld moment coming on....

There are banks in positions we know, and banks in positions we think we know, but there could also be banks in positions we don't know, and banks in positions we think we know but in fact we don't know...... The balance of probabilities are, that due to creative accounting, what we thought we knew we didn't really know at all......... I know that'll make sense to at least one person on the planet.....

Strawbs. :-)

halifax - 16 Sep 2007 20:36 - 74 of 1029

Surely NRK's shares will be or should be suspended during the current uncertainty.

hlyeo98 - 16 Sep 2007 20:42 - 75 of 1029

Suspension would not help...it will make the public lose even more confidence. Online banking was halted on Friday. Suspension will only temporary delay the drop.

halifax - 16 Sep 2007 20:53 - 76 of 1029

Suspension would give NRK and the authorities time to sort out this mess and might allow shareholders to salvage something from the wreckage. Depositors (including those who are not SUN readers ) will not regain confidence as long as there are long lines of customers outside NRK branches trying to withdraw their life savings.

hlyeo98 - 16 Sep 2007 21:10 - 77 of 1029

The mess has already been done. The only way out would be a total flush out of the CEO Adam Applegarth and its board of directors. They should all resign.

seawallwalker - 16 Sep 2007 21:27 - 78 of 1029

hlyeo98 I go along with that view, and I still think that sh1T will stick even if there is only a little thrown.

Northern Rock was the 5th biggest bank, and where are they now?

Find out next week.

No I think there may be trouble ahead for similar companies even if they don't deserve it.

halifax - 16 Sep 2007 21:39 - 79 of 1029

Is it a good idea for the captain and his officers to walk the plank at this stage as they and only they know the true financial state of NRK? Better to suspend the shares temporarily as then depositors wont be reading headlines in the media on Tuesday that NRK shares crash again.

seawallwalker - 16 Sep 2007 21:48 - 80 of 1029

I read at the FT, the shares will not be suspended becuase they are not subject of rumour or gossip, it's the facts and they will find their true level.

No prediction here, but I do recall a rebranding of Marconi at a penny a share and Barrings which was sold for a quid.

Dare say there are more, and it may not happen here, but lets face it, why should any rescue attempt pay anything more than a bargain price to cover the problem.

Enough from me today I will se what tomorrow brings.

I will be thinking of holders who may think they are locked in, it will be a difficult week I think.

halifax - 16 Sep 2007 21:51 - 81 of 1029

I believe any quoted company can request suspension of its shares and the LSE is required to maintain an orderly market in FTSE stocks.

foale - 16 Sep 2007 22:40 - 82 of 1029

Bank of England lender of last resort.....will any bank ever use that in the way that NRK did...I think not...

they will find other ways of dressing up bridging finance....

seawallwalker - 16 Sep 2007 23:50 - 83 of 1029

Okay halifax, we will see what transpires.

Good night all.

cynic - 17 Sep 2007 08:12 - 84 of 1029

so much for my thought yesterday that AL were already oversold .... down about 110 this morning ...... meanwhile NRK has been hammered by a further 140

seawallwalker - 17 Sep 2007 08:15 - 85 of 1029

As I said there will be slurs on their peers.

AL and BB. taking a beating.

This will will continue.

short postions only on these just now, (says he stating the obvious).

cynic - 17 Sep 2007 08:25 - 86 of 1029

not the time to do it though i suspect ..... just as easy for sp in AL or BB or NRK to shoot upwards too, even if only becuase of profit-taking .... AL hit because of several broker downgrades

seawallwalker - 17 Sep 2007 08:28 - 87 of 1029

Yep I suspect the shorters are closing positions on all 3 just now hence the slight up trend.

the next event will be when people hear NRK have dropped up to 30% again today and rush off to empty their accounts, that will then have another effect on the sp and so on till it disappears up it's own......

Falcothou - 17 Sep 2007 08:40 - 88 of 1029

Made a few quid going long on nrk and bb with tight stop losses
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