Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Maybe not on the first day but we will be fine . Free movement of labour ? NO we need a strong leader not a wimp ,another Thatcher would do .

There are so many +s and -s to consider and we can only make a better judgement when we know the full facts from both sides of the fence..and then it's a case of are people voting for their own narrower self interest or for the greater good in the medium to long term.

I look forward to gathering and then considering those "Full facts" before voting day.

grannyboy View grannyboy's profile - 14 Apr 2016 10:53 - 703 of 708


Yes i don''t think the remainers can do maths.....
They now tell us we can't leave the EU because there
is a massive 500 million market and you can't get that anywhere else.

I've done some maths and mine come to...
The Commonwealth 1.5 BILLION...The rest of the world.....
5 BILLION!!!!...
MaxK - 14 Apr 2016 10:59 - 704 of 708


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They are all going to move in next door to Vicky, Granny and JB.

Better put the kettle on and lock the wine cellars.

Stan,

"Full facts"

Unfortunately, the full facts are only just coming out about the Napoleonic Wars.

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Mind if the "R V" is out, I bet the price of property in London will crash.

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And with the changes in rules the "forced" repatriation of UK citizens from Europe may cause a little pressure on house prices and NHS services.

Fred and Stan's hero's .
What a bunch of assholes.

We cannot know the facts if we vote to LEAVE the EU, it will all be conjecture and guesstimates. if we vote to REMAIN there is more certainty ie, increased EU contributions, more regulation, more immigration, and more terrorists threats/atrocities.

To balance the 'more' above, we will have less say, no sovereignty, less control of our borders, less money for UK citizens, no democracy and a smaller GDP pot from which to survive.
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710 - good chuckle fred
in all honesty, only "best guesses" about the future can be made by either camp

713 - agree with much of that and i certainly see a slow slide for uk being drawn ever closer to a federal europe with all its implications ...... not my idea of fun!

Ahh yes..Lets not forget what the Europhiles said
would happen if we didn't join the monetary union......

The UK financial system would collapse....No one would
invest in the UK...We wouldn't be able to do any commerce
business...Exports would collapse....etc..etc...

ALL lies......

Don't even have to press the button these days.. and the Right Wing Ranters are up and away

Stan go and have a drink with Russell Brand he's a loaded lefty .

Stan, re #705

The rest of the world does not accept or allow free movement with the €U, but they still trade....where did you get the no trade thingy from?

stan 705 "still have to abide to some of the rules.....
"the free movement of Labour for instance but not a have
say or vote as full members"

These people who spout these deceptions are either
slow on the uptake OR they're trying to deceive the voters...

To try and intimate that the USA/China/Brazil..etc..etc have
to except free movement of Labour or rules and regulations
is clearly wrong and deceptive.....

Before some of you RWRs get on your high horses perhaps you might like to have a look at an atlas, and note that USA/China/Brazil are no where near Europe so obviously are never going to be members of it.

What, a bit like Australia competing in the Eurovision song contest then??? ;o)

stan how fricking stupid can you and your botty buddy fred get?????

"perhaps you might like to have a look at an atlas,
and note that USA/China/Brazil are no where near Europe so obviously
are never going to be members of it"

YOU do realise how STUPID that reply comes across as???

BUT they DO trade with the EU....And they DO NOT have
to be a member or pay a membership fee.......

and note that USA/China/Brazil are no where near Europe so obviously
are never going to be members of it"
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Stan neither are we soon .

Every country trades with every other country. That won't change, however there are added tariffs between the US and the EU. That is why there have been years of talks over a free trade agreement which doesn't exist yet. The same applies to all other countries outside the EU.

If they want to punish us for leaving, i for one will not buy another German car (i love German cars) however over the last 10 years many other car companies have started to build to German standards ,they had to or they wouldn't sell cars .
There are plenty of other brands out there that now have Audi Mercedes BMW VW build quality ,it's not all about them ,we hold a good set of cards as well and they know it.

It is not punishing us. Tariffs are normal without a free trade agreement. The TTIP agreement that the EU has been negotiating with the US since 2013 is nearly in place. Outside the EU, we will be at a disadvantage in trade with the US compared with the EU.