Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

What, a bit like Australia competing in the Eurovision song contest then??? ;o)

stan how fricking stupid can you and your botty buddy fred get?????

"perhaps you might like to have a look at an atlas,
and note that USA/China/Brazil are no where near Europe so obviously
are never going to be members of it"

YOU do realise how STUPID that reply comes across as???

BUT they DO trade with the EU....And they DO NOT have
to be a member or pay a membership fee.......

and note that USA/China/Brazil are no where near Europe so obviously
are never going to be members of it"
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Stan neither are we soon .

Every country trades with every other country. That won't change, however there are added tariffs between the US and the EU. That is why there have been years of talks over a free trade agreement which doesn't exist yet. The same applies to all other countries outside the EU.

If they want to punish us for leaving, i for one will not buy another German car (i love German cars) however over the last 10 years many other car companies have started to build to German standards ,they had to or they wouldn't sell cars .
There are plenty of other brands out there that now have Audi Mercedes BMW VW build quality ,it's not all about them ,we hold a good set of cards as well and they know it.

It is not punishing us. Tariffs are normal without a free trade agreement. The TTIP agreement that the EU has been negotiating with the US since 2013 is nearly in place. Outside the EU, we will be at a disadvantage in trade with the US compared with the EU.

Yes I believe that the duty that the USA pay is 3%, and i'm assuming vice versa at this time.

But certain products like steel from China has an import tax of 220% into the US.

If a trade agreement with the USA under the TTIP umbrella, then it'l open up big American Health corporation's to privatise the NHS..

The duty varies by product. The 3% figure is the overall average effect across all products.

The TTIP scare story about privatising the NHS is nonsense put about by left wing pressure groups.

The NHS is almost finished anyway unless we stop mass immigration.

"Outside the EU, we will be at a disadvantage in trade with the US compared
with the EU"

Why should we be, we can negotiate our own trade deals with
the US, they won't stop trading with us just like we won't
stop trading with them.....

All these scare stories are for ordinary people who don't go into depth , they hear this and that and think stay as we are already in . The stayers know this but when people dissect it flaws abound , this where the out campaign must get through to them .

Cartoons like that don't hold sway....The Europhiles
would like to portray the UK as cutting themselves off
from the world if they vote to leave.

Nothing could be further from the truth...
We want to trade with europe, but we don't want to be
ruled by europe...We like europe and its culture and architecture...
but not have to pay BILLIONS for the privilege of being a member..

But we also want to trade with the rest of the world, and to get
the best skilled workers, whereas now priority is given to workers of europe.

We want. We want. We want!

German Green MEP Rebecca Harms has called for an end to
referendums across the EU because... "Democracy threatens the EU"

So that's their aim eventually..

That has always been their aim grannyboy, to remove the sovereignty of all member countries.
2517

2517, Yes that's why we have to vote LEAVE, otherwise
we'll be drawn further down the road to total intergration
and lose our identity for ever...

Is it their aim George or Germany's aim I wonder . How to conquer Europe without firing a shot maybe , and we are falling over our selves to make it happen .