Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

gran , you will never get true answers from cynic he does not like the truth

Whats your read on #72033 Haystack?

Looks like nonsense. In reality our Parliament doesn't have control of Article 50. Foreign policy is under complete control of the PM. Cameron could invoke the exit if he wanted without Parliament. It is the same situation regarding going to war. It is just a recent convention to ask Parliament. Legally it is all up to the PM. Therefore if Parliament voted to ignore the referendum, the PM could leave anyway.

Tanker, There's a lot of people in denial, and when they hear the truth they
don't like that either..


He could ignore it but even the snake oil salesman's not that stupid...

And as to going to war, he would have to recall parliament and seek approval.

At the moment, Article 50 allows an EU Member State to secede from the Union by giving two years notice to the relevant authorities.

However, as from March 31st 2017 – a date just nine months away next weekend – Article 50 will be subject to the dreaded Qualified Majority Vote (QMV)…that is to say, we will have to persuade a total of 14 EU Member States to support our decision to leave.



•Back in 2010, the EU rule was we could leave if we applied Article 50, or repealed the European Communities Act 1972. These two caveats still apply, but only till 31st March 2017, after which date these two pieces of legislation will require a QMV.

So now Dave's done his goodbyes the mood has changed , also any other country which wants a referendum must get on with it before 31st March or else they will be stuck for ever in EU .

The power to commit troops in armed conflict is one of the remaining Royal Prerogatives – that is powers that are derived from the Crown rather than conferred on them by Parliament. There is no codified parliamentary procedure that formally requires the Government to seek approval before taking military action. The Prime Minister and Cabinet retain the constitutional right to decide when and where to authorise action.

In practice the PM asks Parliament for permission but does not legally need to. The President of the US is in the same position

From the parliamentary website. Note: "make treaties; declare war; deploy armed forces on operations overseas" and "with limited parliamentary accountability"

Formal powers can include the power to: appoint and dismiss ministers; summon, prorogue and dissolve parliament; appoint and regulate the civil service; allocate and reallocate portfolios; regulate government business; create cabinet committees; reorganise central government; confer honours; make treaties; declare war; deploy armed forces on operations overseas. The British Prime Minister is free to exercise these conventional powers and prerogatives with limited parliamentary accountability (Prime Minister’s Questions in the Commons once a week, written parliamentary questions to the Prime Minister and appearances before the Liaison Select Committee).

The QMV applies to the passing of new laws and NOT to Article 50.

Well seeing as that any war wouldn't start within seconds and that
there would be weeks/months before any conflict, there WOULD be
discussions and approvals in the HoP to get all parties on side, a
bit like those we've seen with the 'remainer's' ganging together in
their efforts to bully those who don't agree with them.

The point is that the PM can go to war against the wishes of the HoC.

The other interesting thing is the ability of the PM to make treaties, which includes breaking them. This meas that the PM can invoke Article 50 by himself should Parliament vote against leaving the EU.

There was a Bill in 2010 to make these powers subject to Parliament, but the Queen declined to sign it on the advice of her government.

Anyone else here having trouble with Adv fn free bulletin board this afternoon? I can only see posts prior to midnight last night. It was ok this morning.

The fixed term Parliament act of 2011 changed the procedures for calling for an election before the end of the 5 year term.

Section 2 of the Act provides for two ways in which a general election can be held before the end of this five-year period:

If the House of Commons resolves "That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government", an early general election is held, unless the House of Commons subsequently resolves "That this House has confidence in Her Majesty's Government". This second resolution must be made within fourteen days of the first.
If the House of Commons, with the support of two-thirds of its total membership (including vacant seats), resolves "That there shall be an early parliamentary general election".

Since the Tories are hardly likely to have a no confidence vote in the newly elected Prime Minister and Labour are hardly in a fit state to want an early election, I don't see an election before 2020.

Adv notes that all posting is


"Posting to the BBs currently disabled."

Weird

Thanks Sequestor - I thought I was losing the plot!

The Juggler, no i couldn't get on earlier either, thought it was my computer
that was playing up..But being on since, so back up working..

my PA (or whatever) has small pot which she would like to put in the market
she would like a cheap execution-only broker so who would you recommend

Jarvis, not the cheapest, but gets it done.


http://www.jarvisinvest.co.uk/

Share centre is one of the cheapest, but it just depends how often you deal.

Personally i'm with Jarvis..