This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

Semantics. Every party that ever promised to change the voting system lost by a landslide. nobody wants the horsetrading governments created by PR.

Irans the next big one in about 4 months time those reactors will be bombed by the United Stats of Israel.

USA will not invade IRAN or bomb it for fear of giving largest standing army in middle east free reign to cause chaos.
So much for a war on terror.

The leader of iran is certifiably mad , but you've got to admire his balls.
" come'an ave a go if you think your 'ard enuf "
LOL

Last man to say that lost two sons and got a right kicking, believe Saddam was his name.......:-))

America, Who ?


They lost in vietnam.

They lost in Iraq.

They are lost in Afghanistan.

Who would back them?


I forgot H6 and Mitzy.

Largest standing army in mideast lol, jeez Canada could whip those bunch of ragtags never mind the mighty USA>.......

Olympic standard conclusion jumping there, fred. had you ever bothered to read my early posts on this thread, or any other thread, you would know that I blame USA - via disney & Macdonalds - for almost all the worlds ills.
No good trying to discuss with someone who reads things that are not there, and misses things that are.
However I would back any country that I thought was doing anything to rid the world of evil men like Saddam long before backing half wits who moan about things and do not have the courage to do anything about it.
Personally I would line up against Iran, Zimbabwe and Korea to name but a few, and the free world would win, if only it was not for the handwringing liberals making the suicide bombers and despots believe they were starting to get somewhere.
United we stand, divided the world is run by a bunch of mad mullahs and tribalistic idiots, with the odd dictator thrown in.
I too can jump to conclusions and your posts suggest that is what you would like. Good luck with it Fred, cos you would certainly need it.

H6, Would you be at the front?

Or would you be pushing from the rear in dealing with IRan and North Korea?

September 1, 2006 No.1276

Egyptian Weekly on Hizbullah's Armed Children's Militias

In its August 18, 2006 edition, the Egyptian weekly Roz Al-Yusuf featured an investigative article by Mirfat Al-Hakim titled "Hizbullah's Children's Militias." The article reveals that Hizbullah has recruited over 2,000 children aged 10-15 to serve in armed militias, and that the Hizbullah-affiliated Mahdi Scouts youth organization is training them to become martyrs. [1]

The following are excerpts from the article:

Hizbullah Recruits Children Barely 10 Years Old
According to Roz Al-Yusuf, "Hizbullah has recruited over 2,000 innocent children aged 10-15 to form armed militias. Before the recent war with Israel, these children appeared only in the annual Jerusalem Day celebrations, and were referred to as the 'December 14 Units,' but today they are called istishhadiyun ['martyrs']..."

"Hizbullah has customarily recruited youths and children and trained them to fight from a very early age. These are children barely 10 years old, who wear camouflage uniforms, cover their faces with black [camouflage] paint, swear to wage jihad, and join the Mahdi Scouts [youth organization]...

"The children are selected by Hizbullah recruitment [officers] based on one criterion only: They must be willing to become martyrs."

"I am not going to give you a number for it because it's not my business to do intelligent work." --Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, asked to estimate the number of Iraqi insurgents while testifying before Congress, Feb. 16, 2005

"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." --Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005

"F**k Saddam, we're taking him out." President Bush to three U.S. Senators in March 2002, a full year before the Iraq invasion

Still feel in safe hands?

I don't give a rats arse whether the war in iraq is justified or not, I don't care how many arabs die daily, I could'nt give a shit about afganistan.
However, I do care about the cumulative effect of a bunch of warmongering god-botherers planning their own personal armageddon/rapture..
We are truly fucked.
forgive the language.

HAPPY DAYS :-)))

If I were young enough, I would be fine being at the front. We owe it to our children to ensure our world is not left in the hands of Saddam, Mugabe et al, because we were so damn busy worrying about our conscience and holding talks and more talks they just did what ever they wanted. That is the true consequence of issuing ultimatum and then not following it through when those you issued against refused to comply with the will of the rest of the world.
I'll take the consequences of a war, and the mess after it, anytime rather than wake up one day to find we are totally powerless in the face of those idiots.

tweenie,

People can "planning their own personal armageddon/rapture" as long as they do it and keep it to themselves and leave the rest of us alone. Of course, that's wishful thinking, so most of us had to be bothered. But for those hoping to profit from Armageddon or to speed up the recovery after the inevitable, they must practice and encourage the opposite to the prayer of Saint Francis. The signs favour the Apocalypse.

hewittalan6, "We owe it to our children to ensure our world is not left in the hands of Saddam, Mugabe et al". Quite right. But they are both puppets setup and supported to do the dirty works of ...

?????
alan. It's the half hearted attempts that are being made that frighten me.
We invade iraq, then spend a lifetime rebuilding it. We want to sort out isreal/palestine- yet have'nt managed it.
WHY????
because it does'nt serve a purpose to.
Better to have lots of wars , make a few bucks, look good on tv etc.
If we really wanted world peace and were willing to "DO WHAT IT TAKES"
we'd have bombed the absolute shit out of IRAQ, then nuked it . then given Israel/palestine 24 hours to sort their shit out or else- they get the same.
A clear message would have been sent to the rest of the world.
COMPLY- resistance is futile........... this leadership things a doddle.

Now i'm really scared.
:-(

Fred, keep up the good work. I know it must be difficult dealing with such a ragbag of pompous inncacuracies 24/7. Esepcially for a half-wit such as yourself. ;))

Still in a tiny minority.

Even a novice politician can easily find a point somewhere between forging consensus and showing leadership to justify any positions, actions and inactions.

Scrooge, Having have half a wit is better than being witless. And all that is needed for many.

The half wit like the jestor often saw and understood that which others didn't.

Dillusional (apologies for poor spelling). When the world knows one thing and a very small minority believe another it can be a very difficult thing to cope with.
Strength is often found in support from the few others in the minority, but this addresses neither the facts , nor the issue of the reluctance to accept that the members of the minority may well be wrong.
Those seeking a world without violence and war live in utopia. It can never happen. Ever. Thats it. Cope with it.
the real danger is that in trying to avoid violence and wars you give support and strength to the violent dictators who would rule that way.
if you were Kurdish, you may have a little sympathy with Pastor Neidemier (Spelling wrong again I am afraid), for when a despotic ruler declares all "Freds" to be a sub-human enemy of the state who deserves nothing but slavery and death, who will be left to stand up for you, fred? We will of course, be left arguing other whether we should do anything at all, while all "Freds" are condemned to torture and death.
I prefer the idea of asking "this is how people are, how do we change it" rather than the apologists view of "this is how people are, how do we change them?"

How do we change the attititude of the US and Uk?? The problem is its not just the minority who condemn people to death. I do think the majority of both armies are fantastic and brave and do a great job but the list of despot things our armies have done is pretty long (My Lai) read http://www3.iath.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Texts/Narrative/Crandell_Winter.html The US also once supported Saddam. How can we condemn the things other have done when we do excatly the same??