NML is due its interrim results now, last year it was the 28th of this month.

They are setting up a new site to explore/research/analyse and all the equipment to do this should be on site now, and drilling should start soon, all this extra news should be covered in the interims.

does anyone have any further positive views on this company ??

I really can't be bothered to read that diatribe beyond the first page or so.

My original post made it perfectly clear that I was aware that the "barge" theory did not originate with Anomalous. But it was only Anomalous - as his own posts from that time prove - that seized upon it and asserted quite categorically that production would be double (i.e. 20,000 carats per month) from Day 1, because they would "mine both sides of the river". The whole concept is preposterous, and only someone who knew very little about alluvial diamond mining would have taken such a theory on board in the first place. They didn't have enough mobile plant to do it with, just for starters! Nor did they have any mechanism for shifting gravel from the river bank to the barge. It's just stupid. Oh, and the production figures do NOT bear out his theory. Check them out, if the topic interests you. They gybe perfectly with the original plan of 10k per month for the 5 months following workup, and 20k thereafter when the second shift would be introduced.

I could probably defend myself against the rest of the umpteen pages of bile if I could be bothered, but I do not consider Anomalous' imaginative pejorations and allegations worth even reading in full, let alone acting upon. I have him filtered on ADVFN, and will probably follow suit here. Someone who reports a company several times to the FSA and AIM because "Wendy made me do it" is not worth the effort.

Deceiving people is not my style, I'm afraid, and anyone who knows me knows I don't lie on bulletin boards. Ever. Life's too short.

This Anomalous1 is clearly a very sick and disturbed individual who was made it his full time occupation to denegrate NML, its Directors and its shareholders.

FILTERED!

More rubbish from Wendy D. I don't know how she can lie so blatantly.

They didn't have enough mobile plant to do it with, just for starters!

Of course the company had a mobile plant. They say so in their own project data. If you don't believe me, just look at this from the NML Project Summary:



and this picture (which is not the Badenhorst's equipment):



The same project summary also points out that the company does intend to use dredgers - possibly dredging barges, to mine the gravel from the river bed in the later stages of the project. As we can see from these two parts of the same Project Summary:

AND


So to claim that the whole barge episode was a figment of my imagination is Wendy D trying to deceive the reader.

Gunnergonk told me, that Shane Healey told him, that the crushed ore would be moved to the barge by conveyor belts. The same conveyor belts that can presumably be seen in this picture of the Badenhorst's equipment:



Wendy D then goes on to say:

"I could probably defend myself against the rest of the umpteen pages of bile if I could be bothered, but I do not consider Anomalous' imaginative pejorations and allegations worth even reading in full, let alone acting upon. I have him filtered on ADVFN, and will probably follow suit here. Someone who reports a company several times to the FSA and AIM because "Wendy made me do it" is not worth the effort."

I gave Wendy every chance to recognise that there were contradictions in the declarations. I gave the company three chances to make the changes themselves, but in the end, I gave up trying to convince her and asked the AIM regulators to do that instead. The company has made two RNS. The first was inadquate and the second contradictory, so the AIM are continuing their investigation.

Wendy D in the meanwhile, tries to pass the buck for her responsibility by stating that the report was nothing to do with her. When in actual fact there are numerous posts on ADVFN that prove it is down to her intrasigence to even recognise that there was a problem. Even her fellow shareholders were telling her there were discrepancies and she ignored them.

I do hope she feels responsible enough to dig into her pocket and pay the director's fines. I will keep reminding her of this (and the press) when the announcement is made.

And as for her deceiving shareholders - ask the Minmet investors and they'll tell you plenty. The company liked her posts so much, they gave her some kimberlite in a presentation at the AGM, before Minmet hit problems.

It's like a broken record....stuck in a groove.
It is ridiculous, in my opinion, to even think of blaming wdurham for the present situation. The individual doing the constant reporting is obviously rather bitter, and certainly twisted in logic. He may even get himself into some trouble.If the company has mis-reported something, it should be dealt with, but it hardly seems to be a serious matter for pages and pages of repetitive invective from Anomalous1 and a great deal of personalised mud-slinging

>takahe

The big difference is that I have taken the trouble to do some in-depth research which the others obviously haven't done and I've come up with startling information. Shocking information in fact.

By all means, ignore my posts if you like, but then you will very probably have cause to come back to them in the future and wonder why you didn't notice what they said.

Let me put it this way... I've spoken with people who've been in the industry all their working life, and even they have serious doubts about NML. When the 'alarm bells are ringing', only fools ignore the warning signs and say that nothing is wrong.

Anomalous -

If you could understand half what you read, you might be useful. In the event you are just plain dangerous.

But never mind, if you want me to take the blame for you reporting NML to the FSA and AIM on umpty-ump occasions about everything down to whether they change their socks on Mondays, please be my guest. I am sure most folk will realise that you really didn't want to do it - I forced you against your will to report every little infraction of the rules that you could imagine. Folk will, I am sure, make allowances for your bigoted, narrow views, because it was all my fault. I stood over you with a large bull drover's whip, beat you into submission and forced you to do all this snitching.

Yeah, right.

Where's this "squelch" thingy? (Edit later: no worries - FOUND IT! What joy...)

Oh - and before I forget, will someone explain to thicko-Anomalous the difference bewteen "mobile plant" and "a mobile plant".

Just so you have the full picture, here are a few posts by Wendy that show that she's been equally condeming NML and their management:

Well, my comment is a simple one.

If the rains are so serious as to delay workup to full production by a further three months above and beyond the "end of March" start that the management predicted only weeks ago, that makes a complete nonsense of the projected figures that they published this time last year.

Whilst I fully understand that constructing a plant during the rains is rather different to later operating that same plant during the rains, how do NML propose to maintain production for more than 8 or 9 months of the year?

The further delay in gearing up to production, in itself, does not bother me, as I have been expecting just such an announcement. Things always take twice as long, etc....

But having always described the current management as shambolic, I now find myself concerned that their entire business model for the future is deeply flawed, and was put together without the slightest understanding on the part of an equally shambolic previous management of the task they were about to tackle.

Having said all that, though - the current market cap still looks stupid even if you cut annual production by half.....

I like this bit:


But having always described the current management as shambolic, I now find myself concerned that their entire business model for the future is deeply flawed, and was put together without the slightest understanding on the part of an equally shambolic previous management of the task they were about to tackle.

Wendy decided to slate the NML management before the Monday RNS. Now she's after the shareholders. Oh dear, she doesn't know which way to fire!

Anomalous1
In depth research, but you don't mention what the shocking news is? If you have insider information which puts you in a position to suppress a share price and to say this openly, that is very serious.

Let me say that I have shared this information with both the FSA and the AIM regulation team. They are aware of the seriousness of the implications.

I've also received information from other sources that make me even more concerned, as this does indeed question the credibility and viability of the operation.

I have not had this information verified, but I do trust the source implicitly, as the person has the highest integrity. I will pass this information to the regulators in due course.


The information is not 'inside' and no law has been broken. Therefore, anyone of the shareholders could have obtained this information themselves, if they had done enough research, or contacted the appropriate people. I am satisfied that the regulators are also 'concerned'.

This post was made by me in early March and shows that I deduced (correctly as it happens) that the sellers could have been the Badenhorsts and the Malaysian Bank with the convertible note. We have since seen from the RNS's that the Badenhorsts have 1 million less shares and Al-Wakalah reported 3,333,334 shares less than they were issued with.

Anomalous - 11 Apr'05 - 17:09 - 4322 of 5408 edit
>Andy
I tend to agree with you. There is clear evidence that both last year and this year, someone or some group have been selling into any strength. This is one of the reasons the price has been held back, despite some relatively good news.

We must assume that the seller, whoever they may be, are selling at a profit above 4p, but unwilling to trade below this price. The natural assumption is that the seller is one of the placees. Many people believed and stated this last year, even though we couldn't prove the identity of the individual or group.

There are some disquieting facts though.

1. The volume of sells since the pattern was identified is far greater than 20 million, the total of the placing.

2. The amount sold in each tranche (+100k) is relatively small and insignificant. Which means they may be taking great care not to depress the share price too much. So they can come back for another bite of the cherry a short while later, after the usual BB investors soak up the surplus.

3. The placing was with a number of people. So any coordinated action 'conspiracy' is unlikely. But....

4. The sellers always seem to pick opportune moments, such as the release of good news, to 'dump' another load. Do they know when the RNS's are going to appear? Do they sit there waiting or have they placed a standing instruction with their brokers?

IMO, there is a seller and we can probably identify at least two of them. I say 'probably', because without any clear proof or a statement from them we can not be certain.

The likely candidates for the present sales are:

A) The Badenhorsts - they accepted the shares in lieu of cash. It could be that they need the cash for other purposes. Even if they do know what's in the ground, having such a large shareholding may not have been in their plans. They might be converting some of these back to cash on the market. They are not directors and are only required to report if they are over 3% and cross a whole percentage point. They could easily sell and we would be none the wiser.

B) The Malaysian bank that arranged the convertible loan note - as some have agreed, the bank taking the shares now rather than later indicated that they wished to convert their debt back to cash at the earliest opportunity. It was not a vote of confidence, as the deal would have given them the capital value and the interest, into shares at 4p a year after drawdown.... Jan 2006. So by taking the shares now, they too could be selling some back into the market above 4p and taking a swift profit on any sum over 4p. If they sell at 4.5p, they are getting a 12.5% gain on their investment. If they believed that it would take some time for the good news to come, then this would enable them to reduce the overall risk of some problem depreciating the share price below the 4p conversion price. Again, they would not have to report until they cross a percentage point.

These two are the most likely 'usual suspects'. BUT the one thing that does worry me, is that there was no declaration for the Malaysian bank when they received the +3% interest in NML upon conversion. There was the announcement by the company in the RNS on 20 Jan 2005, but not the proper one required by AIM for notifiable amounts. Now it could be that the foreign holders are neglecting to make their official notifications. Which then brings in the possibility (although remote) that the seller(s) are in actual fact directors.

I believe that a statement should be made by the company about the convertible note shareholder and why they failed to notify as required under the AIM regs.

Of course, Wendy D made this post in return:

wdurham - 11 Apr'05 - 17:55 - 4326 of 5408
Anomalous -
Have you followed up any of that Monroe stuff? If you had been bothered, you would see that the Badenhorsts are probably the very last people to be selling. They have been planning on a move to the C9 area of Angola as mine managers for quite a long time....can you imagine why that might be?

And your logic really is ass-about-face with the bank. No-one takes shares NOW in lieu of debt if they are at the head of the queue to get their investment back, plus interest, at expiry - unless they think the shares are going to be worth considerably more than the debt plus the interest. Because remember, there is no way NML could have just shrugged and said they couldn't pay - the bank would have got theirs.. But as mere shareholders the bank have given up all the rights and security that being providers of finance gave them, and taken their place at the back of the settlement queue along with you and me. So they must have taken the equity now for another reason, wouldn't you think?

But then it suited you to believe that both the Badenhorsts and the bank took shares with the single aim of selling them at the first available opportunity. It suited you to describe them as so lacking in faith that they were not prepared to wait for cash, but wanted a convertible insturment NOW so that they could get their money back straight away, before the share price plummeted and the company became insolvent - or at best, unable to pay them.

Perhaps I should remind you that there is no need to de-ramp any more now that you have bought back?

Wendy D also said this:

wdurham - 11 Apr'05 - 18:11 - 4330 of 5408
Actually my OWN logic is a bit woolly on the question of the finance provider.

But the basic premise remains. If you can convert a debt to equity at a fixed rate now or later - but if you do it later you also get a whole year's interest, then to do it now demonstrates that you believe the share price is going to go up sufficiently to offset the interest you would have earned by waiting for expiry. So whether they sell stock along the way or not, the bank clearly believe the share price is going to rise at least by enough to recoup the interest they have foregone, in addition to any profit they might make. And converting now DOES enable them to sell stock over the next 12 months when the price rises enough to make it worth their while.

So they ARE a candidate for the seller - but having "paid" 4p and a year's interest per share, I can't see them selling at these low levels unless they think 10% profit now is better than 100% profit in 6 months?

To which I replied as follows:


Anomalous - 11 Apr'05 - 18:26 - 4332 of 5408

I don't believe that I am the one that has the situation "Ass about face", it may be you. Consider this:

1. We do know that the convertible note was convertible into shares 12 months from drawdown. We do not know if the company had the option to repay in cash rather than issue the shares. This was not stated in the RNS. So it is safe to assume that the bank was to receive the capital and interest into shares at the fixed rate of 4p.

If the share price was to be so much greater by January 2006, then it would be stupid for the bank to take the shares now, when they would be worth so much more after 12 months. May I remind you what the RNS said:

The Company has also arranged a standby finance facility of up to US$1.25 million by way of a convertible note, convertible into NML shares at 4p within 12 months of draw down. The loan notes will bear interest at 6% per annum. The facility has been established to be drawn down at the Board's discretion should the need arise and will be available for 12 months.

So by receiving the shares now, the bank could be selling at 4.5p for a 12.5% gain, rather than waiting 12 months (at great risk) for a 6% gain. As you know, this company has not exactly shone when it comes to meeting their deadlines or expectations. It is only prudent for the bank to possibly take measures that reduce the risk of not receiving their capital sum back after 12 months. The logic is inescapable that they have taken the shares now to convert as much back as they can with a 12.5% or even 25% profit.

Let me refer you back to the Badenhorst deal:

NML has purchased from the Badenhorst Combine CC of Kimberly, South Africa, its entire working plant of alluvial diamond mining equipment. This is a cohesive unit comprising, pans and conveyors, mobile sort house, excavators, loading shovels, trucks, cranes and numerous other equipment necessary for the mining to commence. It is important to stress that this acquisition is a working plant including mobile workshop, spares, tools and accommodation. This is a key acquisition for mining in remote areas where spares and supplies are difficult to procure.

The cost of the equipment acquisition is US$1.26m. This will be paid in three tranches, US$126k in cash (paid), the issue of 5,040,000 fully paid ordinary shares in NML (US$504k) to the vendors at US$0.10 (approximately 0.055) per share and a final cash payment of US$630k on or before 30th November 2004. This
purchase brings to US$2.0m the total value of diamond mining equipment acquired
by NML since March 2004.

NML will make application for the 5,040,000 new ordinary shares to be admitted
to trading on AIM and admission is expected to occur on 9 August 2004.

The Badenhorsts agreed a deal that would give an initial cash payment (which was paid), a tranche of shares (which was issued) and another and final cash payment (which was eventually converted into shares by the company - probably because the company was short of working capital). The Badenhorsts may not have bargained with having 13 million shares in the company. This is far more than a notifiable amount, even if NML are registered abroad.

The subsequent RNS said:

As a show of confidence in the company's strong future, the Badenhorst brothers have converted the amount outstanding to them of US$630,000 to shares. NML purchased the alluvial diamond mining equipment from the Badenhorst Combine for US$1.26 million. Subsequent to this acquisition the Company engaged the owners and operators of the Badenhorst Combine, Piet and Neels Badenhorst as mine managers and operators.

The Badenhorst brothers are on the mine site in Angola managing mining on a day
to day basis. The issue to the Badenhorst is 8,253.000 at A$0.10 per shares (4p)

So the combined Badenhorst holding was 5,040,000 + 8,253,000 = 13,293,000 shares. The 3% notifiable limit is 4,931,342

I don't dispute that the Badenhorsts accepting shares is a clear sign of confidence in the project. But when they struck the deal, they didn't agree to accept 13 million shares, they only wanted 5 million. So if they did need that cash payment for whatever reason, it would be a natural conclusion to sell some of their holding, but not all of it. They wanted the cash. They got the shares. They were probably advised if they still wanted the cash, then all they had to do was 'mine' the market for the readies.

Lastly, even though I am a holder, I am more interested in the truth, even if it doesn't serve to increase my investment. I accepted the revision of the estimates on the EPD forecast, not because I considered my figures faulty, but because I considered that it is far better to strive for the truth, than to ramp a share, fooling any prospective trader/investor, just to make a quick profit. It is not my style to ramp and lie. I'd rather seek the truth.

I then described and pointed out why the convertible note holder might want to sell now rather than later:

Anomalous - 11 Apr'05 - 18:45 - 4334 of 5408

>Wendy

But the basic premise remains. If you can convert a debt to equity at a fixed rate now or later - but if you do it later you also get a whole year's interest, then to do it now demonstrates that you believe the share price is going to go up sufficiently to offset the interest you would have earned by waiting for expiry. So whether they sell stock along the way or not, the bank clearly believe the share price is going to rise at least by enough to recoup the interest they have foregone, in addition to any profit they might make. And converting now DOES enable them to sell stock over the next 12 months when the price rises enough to make it worth their while.

Your logic is still flawed. Look at these scenarios and see which you think a bank would choose:

Scenario 1. - the current situation
Share Price currently: 5p
Issue price: 4p
Lost interest = 6% profit
Current premium = 25% profit
Net Profit = 19% profit
Can sell at any time to reduce risk

Scenario 2. - the convertible deal
Share Price currently: 5p
Share Price Jan 2006: 12p
Issue Price: 4p
Interest received (in shares) = 6%
Current premium = 200% + interest 6% + premium on 6% = 12%
Net Profit = 218% profit
Can sell at any time after 12 months - but with risk that scenario 3 might occur.

Scenario 3. - Oh dear!
Share Price currently 5p
Share Price Jan 2006: 3p
Issue Price: 4p
Interest received (in shares) = 6%
Current premium = -25% + 1.5% loss on 6% interest
Net loss = -20.5% loss
Can sell at any time after 12 months - but who would want to?!

A short while later I replied to Mclellan about her post. You'll note that I did query the fact that the directors had not notified in December 2004, even though I noted this earlier in the year:

Anomalous - 11 Apr'05 - 19:08 - 4337 of 5408
>Mc
We're not saying it is the Badenhorsts, just that it might be. We're not implying that the management have done anything wrong either. They are only required to make the declaration when the declaree tells them he has over 3%. I'm not saying that the directors are selling without a notification, but merely pointing out that the lack of notifications from them too is also a 'concern'. Remember that the directors did receive shares in lieu of payment. But there was no RNS to follow with the figures. I did query that if you remember. Of course the placees are free to sell when they want to. Anyone is.

Please keep your hat on! We're just debating why there's been no notifications, yet there's been more sells than the original 20 million placing. It could be that some of the 16.5 million placing is filtering in too.

I seem to remember that we were all having a big debate about the mysterious selling back in September and October.....just before we heard the bad news from the company about the delays. This time, we know that good news is on the way. So any selling right now is certainly going to be regretted by the seller in the long term. Unless of course the seller is on some new placing.............................. Doh!!!

This was the first time I mentioned that the company ought to be notified about the discrepancies:

Anomalous - 11 Apr'05 - 20:00 - 4339 of 5408

If anything Fiona, we might be making a quick reminder to the directors to check that they have complied with the regs. I'd hate to think that they ended up paying a penalty because of a missed declaration. It's silly to miss out on it, but even the chairman of Evolution is under investigation for failing to make the obligatory notification regarding Incite Holdings.

Then Wendy D replied to my post about the bank scenarios agreeing with my reasoning:

wdurham - 12 Apr'05 - 07:40 - 4350 of 5408
Anom -
I do accept some of your reasoning re: the bank - after having said yesterday that my own thinking on it was a bit woolly, I thought about it a bit more, and realise that there IS some substance to the idea that they could be taking profit at this early stage. But 16.6 million shares is rather more than 3% - and there has been no notification.

If you review the Badenhorst's recent history, I think it highly unlikely that they would be selling stock at this stage. And they too hold more than 3%.

However, we can all argue until kingdom come, and still have no idea at all of what is going on. If those that OUGHT to be notifying NML of changes in holdings are not doing so, there is little that NML can do about it. They are governed by the rules of AIM, due to their listing on that market. But it still may be that - as in the recent case highlighted by Griffin - certain people believe that as NML is a company incorporated in Australia, they do not have any disclosure obligations towards them.

It is now down to NML to simply get on with the job. Only by producing results of significance can they regain credibility and convince people that the stock is worth holding rather than dumping for 5 or 10%.

I don't propose to argue the matter further - it has no resolution, and therefore arguing is pointless. The various possible scenarios have been put forward, and folk can make up their own mind. 8-)

Here is a post, clearly showing that I was hoping someone would contact the company and get the directors to get their own house in order:

Anomalous - 12 Apr'05 - 18:01 - 4467 of 5408

GayBriefs - 12 Apr'05 - 15:23 - 4442 of 4464
Theres your seller again .
Anomalous - Any ideas at all of how the seller can be identified to try and give us a Fri**ing clue how much longer this is going on.
This anonomous selling stinks can the company be forced to declare whos holding what for example?

Yes - there is a way of identifying the seller. You contact the AIM regulation team and inform them that there are a few notifiable RNS's missing. They'll contact the company for clarification.

But I don't think it's a good idea - because the people that have definitely missed their RNS are the Badenhorsts and the directors. We can't be certain of the identity of the 'businessmen' or whoever is selling. We can not tell if they have more than 3% or have sold a considerable percentage of their holding.

The last thing we want to do is get the management in trouble, just when they seem to be getting it together. That's why I suggested that someone contact them to remind them of their obligations to report. Better late than never.

The AIM may accept that they forgot their new British registered status and obligations. They may be unaware of the requirements, but ignorance is no defence under the law. It can be forgiven if they get it in late and apologise.

NML may have been Australian registered and exempt from declarable notifications before, but they are British registered now and they are therefore obliged to report.

To which Wendy D responded as follows: (I've highlighted the relevant parts in red)

wdurham - 12 Apr'05 - 18:43 - 4473 of 5408
Anom -

"But I don't think it's a good idea - because the people that have definitely missed their RNS are the Badenhorsts and the directors."

Which RNSs would those be?

As I understand it, it is the responsibility of large shareholders to first notify the company of the size of their holding, if over 3%, within 5 market days of acquiring that holding. Subsequent adjustments to that holding must be notified to the company if it passes through a round percentage point in either direction. The company should then issue a UKREG without delay to inform the market of the psosition. If the shareholders do not inform the company, then the company's hands are tied, and they cannot make any announcement.

In the case of the Badenhorsts, the market was notified of the increase in their holding by the company, who had full information as they themselves had issued the shares.

Where directors are concerned, ANY change in a holding must be reported to the company by the director, irrespective of percentages involved, and the company must then notify the market without delay via UKREG. Again, the company advised that the directors of the company had increased their holdings, although this was not broken down by individual, because they were in possession of that information as they had issued the shares.

Finally can someone point me towards the announcement that says the company is now a British registered company and no longer incorporated in Australia?


To which I responded as follows:

Anomalous - 12 Apr'05 - 18:50 - 4476 of 5408
>Wendy you beat me to it.

You are right that the company has to be notified in 5 days and the nomad should make the RNS within the day. It is the responsibility of the individual holder to notify the company, but then the company did issue the shares. The RNS of the issue may not be sufficient, as it does not show the percentage of holding, or the total shares held by the brothers. Individually or collectively, one of them will have more than the notifiable amount.

You are also correct that the directors have to notify any change. But they were issued shares and the distribution was not announced. It should have been. The directors (which must include JC and SH) are personally liable for the failure to announce. So they need to contact the nomad and make sure that everyone (all the receiving directors and Badenhorsts) have been properly included on an RNS. The longer they leave it, the more likely the LSE will investigate and fine. Look at Griffiths and Incite Holdings.