Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

if the luvvies and lefties accept streaming across nearly all subjects, then surely a decent comprehensive can and should be every bit as good as a grammar school

and of course there are bad grammar schools just as there are bad comprehensives ..... and unsupportive and non-aspirational parents everywhere

It depends on the quality of teaching, discipline, organisation and quality of building facilities, also the support of the "parents" and "community".

Instead of buying a house in the "school's locality" to get a "better" education, the more affluent will buy coaching for their kids to "pass" the eleven plus.

A sensible "comprehensive" should be capable of providing "streaming" to cater for the different abilities and leanings of its pupils.

The main problem with the switch to "comprhensive education" chaotic introduction and lack of appropriate and resourced buildings and "rush" for ideological reasons to do so.

Ill thought out and managed.

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But streaming is anathema to the lefty teaching unions Fred.

How do you get around that?

Streaming happens in all comprehensives. So much so that the top streams rarely speak to the lower streams or even know their names

fred - you get crap schools everywhere and not just in poor inner city areas

my daughter thought of going into teaching a few years back ....
she was invited to a day at some school in sutton or thereabouts, but she reported back that the teachers had such low aspirations for the pupils that there was no incentive at all for those of ability..... as she said, she could never ever work in that sort of atmosphere

so, it's not jut a case of funding and money, but something far more deep-seated - eg it tends to be middle-class parents who have aspirations for their children and who will also support and instil discipline into their childrens' lives

Manuel,

Aspirations for their offspring applies across the various "classes" in different ways.

But I "think" there is a feeling of despair and despondency amongst many in the financially and less endowed of UK society.

They feel and I think rightly so that the odds are stacked against them.

Have a look at http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07n8yc4/conversations-lord-kinnock

You may understand a little more of the difficulties of aspiring and perhaps his motivations.

He was in college at the same time myself and many of our views differed at the time but there has been a gradual convergence in "understanding" and "outlook".

"Dylan Thomas, 1914 - 1953

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

Where English(British) children are the minority in many inner city schools
and the mother tongues are spoken by dozens of different nationalities, English
is their second language in classrooms.

So those English(British)who lag behind in academic ability are neglected,
because the teachers are to busy translating(explaining) to all these foreign
children.

Anyone who takes advice from that MILLIONAIRE socialist LORD kinnock wants
their heads examining...

Stop asking me things I can't answer... it's sexist!

Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry's furious outburst at Sky News presenter after he asked her to name the French foreign minister - and she couldn't

Thornberry lost her temper after Dermot Murnaghan asked her to name foreign politicians

She couldn't name the French foreign minister or South Korean president

Claimed he was asking 'pub quiz questions' that he wouldn't ask male MPs

By Matt Dathan, Political Correspondent For Mailonline

Published: 11:42, 11 September 2016 | Updated: 07:19, 12 September 2016


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3783925/Let-s-air-Shadow-Foreign-Secretary-Emily-Thornberry-accuses-Sky-News-presenter-sexism-asked-French-foreign-minister.html

She would only know what white van man means .

The blob is a disgrace and made a fool of herself trying to defend her ignorance.

fred - that negative or even non-existent attitude certainly does not prevail among the indian/asian community

The collapse that Hillary Clinton suffered yesterday may be nothing serious but the real problem is that nobody expects the truth to be told, if it is. Personally, I don't believe either is fit to run for the Presidency. What a shambles.

Yes when you think the choice between Clinton or Trump ,who thought it would ever come to that.

Out of 350million peeps, you would have thought the yanks could have come up with a credible pair of candidates.

Altho, they said the same about Ronny, and he didn't do too bad.

Yes, they need somebody like Farage, Cameron, May, or Boris!

LOL

Osborne is out of work at the moment.

Wrap him up and post him to the USA.

Reagan was a revelation but he did have State Governor experience.

He also had Maggie to turn to for advice....:)

Farage would be brilliant Fred , the man who saved Great Britain ,

or to you our grubby little England full of bigoted racists who hate the rest of the world .