Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I suspect the real reason for depreciation is upkeep costs.

Modern cars in general are fast becoming unfixable at a sensible price:

Full of electronics and specialised fittings that require main dealer servicing (expensive) Engine rebuilds are a thing of the past, ditto gearboxes etc.

When the mechanic needs a computer to tell him whats wrong, you know you are in trouble.

Morning Stan - we will be £40 better off due to lower food prices.

Being part of the customs union will stop us doing free trade deals with other countries so that's a loser.

What was the 3rd question ?


Hils , they've been trying to nick business from London for Frankfurt for years. Won't happen unless they can persuade the rest of the world to dump us too.

As for cars , Nissan will be the gainers.

Au contraire Stanley, there are very few badly built cars today compared to the absolute junk sold in the past. Today it is a matter of taste and wallet. Like phones, the technology is changing fast. I change my RX every two years because of the rapid advances in hybrid technology and other features such as HOD, cameras, radar and other safety features. Besides, I usually get a good deal.
Hilary's list was 4 years old and very few of the vehicles shown, if any, were sold in the UK. Being in the US, the showroom prices would have been on average 40 - 60% lower than the UK, so I guess the depreciation after a year would bring them down to around UK new prices anyhow.

Dil , Honda too i think .

I know, Dilbert - I was playing Devil's Advocate. :o)

Fwiw, I think the UK will lose a few financial service sector jobs, but not that many, as banks, etc merely bolster their EU presence. However, they're not about to move their bases out of the UK.

Why? For a start, the UK is the established world leader in financial services provision, whilst Frankfurt and Paris are just wannabees. They also happen to speak English in the UK, and London sits nicely between HK/Singapore and New York for handling the chageovers. Can you imagine a yank or an oriental trying to communicate with his French counterpart in Paris, or a German in Frankfurt, to effect the handover?

In addition, jobs in Germany and France are 'for life'. No bank in their right mind wants to negotiate French or German employment law any more than is absolutely necessary.

They do speak very good English in Germany though hils.

I worked for a German company in the UK and along with all my colleagues was offered training to learn German. Only a few of us turned it down and when the managing director asked me what I would do if I rang our head office in Germany and the person who answered couldn't speak Enlish I told him firstly I would put the phone down and ring a different number and secondly report the first person as everyone (and there were 100's of them) in head office were required to be fluent in English :-)

Only problem I ever had in Germany was trying to get a lager in one hotel but my mate who was with me was fluent in German. Think they call it light bier.

Yes, Dil, many of our friends are German, and they all speak excellent English.

In fact, last summer, we got stuck in the sand at our local beach, and ended being towed off by a German naturist in his 4x4. My husband approached him and asked for assistance in French, and he replied in excellent English, "it's OK, I'm happy to speak English. My English is much better than your French".

Now, that was an *interesting* experience! :o)

Are they gone or push out of the country?
you do not see the polish drinkers in the local parks any more, but it seems many workers have gone to other countries as they think the future for them in the UK is not so rosie.

Big net migration fall since Brexit vote, latest estimates show

Net migration has fallen to the lowest level for three years after a surge in the number of EU nationals leaving the UK since last June's Brexit vote.
Net migration - the difference between those entering and leaving the UK - fell 81,000 to 246,000 in the year to March 2017.

More than half that change is due to a decrease in net migration of EU citizens, which is down 51,000.
The government is committed to reducing net migration to below 100,000.
The ONS figures show a particularly sharp rise, of 17,000, in departures of citizens from the so-called EU8 countries - Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia.

An ONS spokesman said: "These results indicate that the EU referendum result may be influencing people's decision to migrate into and out of the UK, particularly EU and EU8 citizens.

"It is too early to tell if this is an indication of a long-term trend."
The ONS figures show that immigration from all countries has fallen - and emigration has also risen.

International migration for work remains the most likely reason to move, said the ONS, but it added that people are now more likely to move if they have a definite job, rather than to just look for work.
A spokesman for the Institute of Directors said "no one should celebrate these numbers".

"Given unemployment is currently at its lowest level ever (4.5%), without the three million EU citizens living here the UK would have an acute labour shortage.
"Signs that it is becoming a less attractive place to live and work are a concern," he added.

The government has also published the first ever "exit checks" data - a proper count of all people who are actually known to have left the UK.
For the year to March 2017, the data shows that 97% of students from outside the EU with a visa to enter the UK are known to have departed.

It is not clear what had happened to the remaining 3% whose visas had expired.
The data also shows that 95% of international students either leave at the end of their studies or are given permission to stay on for some other reason.

This previously unknown figure runs contrary to repeated claims that international students are abusing the immigration system to stay illegally in the UK.

The exit checks should never have been stopped. I wonder which chinless wonder received a gong for that idiocy.
As for the numbers, they only show that the rate of increase has slackened not that net immigration has turned negative. EU money being spent in Eastern Europe should encourage employment, or make some individuals very rich. Probably the latter. But it is not EU migration that concerns me.

Don't worry people we are not leaving now.

UK is full.

Cheer up you pair only 19 months til we leave.

Can't wait.

Do you think that you will make it for that long?

As long as that Dil!
If you understand the previous post you're a better man than I.

I think Brexit will happen, but I also think it's going to end up being very diluted, bordering on a total fcuk up, it's going to rumble on way past 2019, and a whole lot of people (mainly on this thread) will become very disillusioned with it.

Seriously, I think that as soon as Maggie May triggered Article 20, the UK should have just walked away completely at that point, and not ponced about. That would have meant cutting a short term loss, and a further weakening of sterling, but it would also have been a positive signal of intent, and sterling would have recovered far quicker than it will from its current 'death by a thousand cuts'. If the UK's future is going to be through trade deals with the US, Australia, India, China, etc, then they need to be forging ahead, and sorting out deals with those countries today - not faffing about trying to sort out the divorce terms first, as they could easily wait.

Let's face it, the best businesses fire on the spot - staff are told to clear their desks, and security escort them from the building - they don't leave key personnel working their notices, stealing clients, spreading discontent, and generally damaging the business. Similarly, if a married couple are going to split, they split there and then and move on with their lives - the lawyers can deal with the divorce settlement later - how many couples spend two years under the same roof talking about who's gonna get the silver canteen of cutlery before they split?

The difference after the separation will be the UK serving at the table rather than being sat at it.

Hoping that they might be offered some scraps from the table after the meals are over.

The mongrels of Europe?