Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Only problem I ever had in Germany was trying to get a lager in one hotel but my mate who was with me was fluent in German. Think they call it light bier.

Yes, Dil, many of our friends are German, and they all speak excellent English.

In fact, last summer, we got stuck in the sand at our local beach, and ended being towed off by a German naturist in his 4x4. My husband approached him and asked for assistance in French, and he replied in excellent English, "it's OK, I'm happy to speak English. My English is much better than your French".

Now, that was an *interesting* experience! :o)

Are they gone or push out of the country?
you do not see the polish drinkers in the local parks any more, but it seems many workers have gone to other countries as they think the future for them in the UK is not so rosie.

Big net migration fall since Brexit vote, latest estimates show

Net migration has fallen to the lowest level for three years after a surge in the number of EU nationals leaving the UK since last June's Brexit vote.
Net migration - the difference between those entering and leaving the UK - fell 81,000 to 246,000 in the year to March 2017.

More than half that change is due to a decrease in net migration of EU citizens, which is down 51,000.
The government is committed to reducing net migration to below 100,000.
The ONS figures show a particularly sharp rise, of 17,000, in departures of citizens from the so-called EU8 countries - Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia.

An ONS spokesman said: "These results indicate that the EU referendum result may be influencing people's decision to migrate into and out of the UK, particularly EU and EU8 citizens.

"It is too early to tell if this is an indication of a long-term trend."
The ONS figures show that immigration from all countries has fallen - and emigration has also risen.

International migration for work remains the most likely reason to move, said the ONS, but it added that people are now more likely to move if they have a definite job, rather than to just look for work.
A spokesman for the Institute of Directors said "no one should celebrate these numbers".

"Given unemployment is currently at its lowest level ever (4.5%), without the three million EU citizens living here the UK would have an acute labour shortage.
"Signs that it is becoming a less attractive place to live and work are a concern," he added.

The government has also published the first ever "exit checks" data - a proper count of all people who are actually known to have left the UK.
For the year to March 2017, the data shows that 97% of students from outside the EU with a visa to enter the UK are known to have departed.

It is not clear what had happened to the remaining 3% whose visas had expired.
The data also shows that 95% of international students either leave at the end of their studies or are given permission to stay on for some other reason.

This previously unknown figure runs contrary to repeated claims that international students are abusing the immigration system to stay illegally in the UK.

The exit checks should never have been stopped. I wonder which chinless wonder received a gong for that idiocy.
As for the numbers, they only show that the rate of increase has slackened not that net immigration has turned negative. EU money being spent in Eastern Europe should encourage employment, or make some individuals very rich. Probably the latter. But it is not EU migration that concerns me.

Don't worry people we are not leaving now.

UK is full.

Cheer up you pair only 19 months til we leave.

Can't wait.

Do you think that you will make it for that long?

As long as that Dil!
If you understand the previous post you're a better man than I.

I think Brexit will happen, but I also think it's going to end up being very diluted, bordering on a total fcuk up, it's going to rumble on way past 2019, and a whole lot of people (mainly on this thread) will become very disillusioned with it.

Seriously, I think that as soon as Maggie May triggered Article 20, the UK should have just walked away completely at that point, and not ponced about. That would have meant cutting a short term loss, and a further weakening of sterling, but it would also have been a positive signal of intent, and sterling would have recovered far quicker than it will from its current 'death by a thousand cuts'. If the UK's future is going to be through trade deals with the US, Australia, India, China, etc, then they need to be forging ahead, and sorting out deals with those countries today - not faffing about trying to sort out the divorce terms first, as they could easily wait.

Let's face it, the best businesses fire on the spot - staff are told to clear their desks, and security escort them from the building - they don't leave key personnel working their notices, stealing clients, spreading discontent, and generally damaging the business. Similarly, if a married couple are going to split, they split there and then and move on with their lives - the lawyers can deal with the divorce settlement later - how many couples spend two years under the same roof talking about who's gonna get the silver canteen of cutlery before they split?

The difference after the separation will be the UK serving at the table rather than being sat at it.

Hoping that they might be offered some scraps from the table after the meals are over.

The mongrels of Europe?

I recognise you are always right Hilary, well most of the time, but Article 20 deals with the rights of EU citizens. But I agree with the sentiment of your post. Note to self -sell the silver cutlery.

Well spotted, iturama. In my defence, your 'onour, I'd like to point out that the #2 key on the numeric pad sits just below the #5 key.

After a bit too much EU subsidised local red wine last night, it's a miracle I even found my laptop this morning, let alone the keyboard. :o)

I've been saying that for months hils , give me the job of lead negotiator and I'd have us out in a month with the same deal we will get in the end anyway plus save a fortune.

Fred , that cartoon just about sums up Loony Labours new Brexit policy. Didn't have the balls to put it before the electorate.

I know it is a little difficult for Dil but it is just common sense.

I wonder how many "golden oldies" living in France, Spain, and Portugal on British pensions will be "immigrating" back to England?

Should help the social services!

Dil,

Here is an interesting summation of Brexitier's success.
"
Brexit the Musical": in Edinburgh, I understood how farce can be more persuasive than argument

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/27/brexit-the-musical-satire-can-save-us

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Even death sentences have been repealed.

A dark horse, or a stalking horse?



Brexit campaigners 'use ECJ backlash to rally support for Rees-Mogg'

Social media analysis finds issues such as European court are behind wave of online support for MP as potential Tory leader

Dan Roberts Brexit policy editor


@RobertsDan

Monday 28 August 2017 05.45 BST





Brexit campaigners have seized on signs of a possible climbdown over Europe and are using it to rally support around alternative Tory leaders, according to a study.

Analysis of social media activity, a key political battleground during the referendum, reveals a particular backlash at the European court of justice (ECJ) after ministers hinted it could play a continued role in British affairs after March 2019.

Researchers at Signify, a data science company, used public data to examine 50,646 individuals sharing articles about the ECJ on platforms such as Facebook and found four times as many people were pro-Brexit than pro-remain, while 83% expressed negative sentiment about the court.


Promotion of hot button issues such as the ECJ now appears to be behind a wave of online support for Tory politicians who are opposed to any softening of the government strategy, and may stir a similar resurgence in support for Ukip as Labour also softens its Brexit message.


“The issue is a proxy for sovereignty and control, and has become a tool for galvanising Tory Brexiteers and Ukip supporters, coalescing their support around Jacob Rees-Mogg,” said Joe Harrod, chief operating officer of Signify.

“It’s hard for remainers to get traction on this topic because all their arguments are about process and statutes, while many leave voters genuinely regard sovereignty and the rule of Brussels as a red line issue. It’s a perfect topic to energise that base.”



More: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/28/brexiters-ecj-backlash-rally-support-jacob-rees-mogg