Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Spain and France both provide a state healthcare system. Top ups are advised to expedite treatment, but they're not a necessity. If you pay into their systems, you're allowed to take out - it's not a difficult concept to understand, even for social retards like Stan.

I can't see why expats would want to return to the UK for healthcare.

I don't know about Spain, but have some idea about France.

In France you have to contribute to the general healthcare system at the point of use.

ie, to go to see a quack, you will need to cough up €22 per visit on the spot: If you are a Carte Vitale holder, you will be refunded appox €18 via your bank account.

The same applies for prescriptions, tests etc, cough up first and get a refund of a certain %tage later. This varies depending on what the presecritions/tests are for, some are free. You might only have to pay the difference between carte vitale and headline price.

Dread diseases are fully covered (afaik) by the gov. But everyone else pays.

Medical charges do not stop when you reach retirement age, which is why old folks still take out insurance to cover the extras.


There are no doubt a million others bits of info and wangles, but I don't know them.

That's right, Max.

The French state contribution is actually a percentage, about 70% I think, and it applies to GP visits, scans, tests, dentistry, etc. It's that element of the bill which tourists are able to reclaim with their EHIC. To get a CV, you need to contribute to the French social system for 4 years (as mentioned previously, a lesson to be learned for the UK there!).

Whilst I've never visited a French doctor, I'm told that you'll go along for an ingrowing toenail, and be treated to a full checkup. The focus is on prevention, and not bad value for the 6 € or 7 € that the patient contributes. The French healthcare system is considered to be one of the best in the world.

The point here is that the whole thing is inexpensive and perfectly affordable to locals and residents originally from elsewhere, and it's most definitely not a reason for expats to return to the UK. Furthermore, and I don't know whether it's true, but I'm sure I was told that even the top up insurance is provided by non-profit organisations.

Stan? a social retard? He hasn't improved that much IMO but if you say so. Carry on getting better Stanley and you will be allowed to go to away matches all on your own.
I wonder if he is still sat on the flyover??

That's another slip of the finger, iturama. I didn't mean to type social.

My bad. :o)

I thought Barnier's face was a picture when he was slagging us off at the press conference for us pointing out to him and the rest of the EU there was no legal basis for us to pay any divorce bill.

Also quite telling was the fact he didn't contradict our position but just huffed and puffed about trust !

I'm also getting fed up about him criticising our proposals when I've seen sod all put forward by the EU except the jurisdiction of the EU court with regards to its citizens.

Dil,

Here is a much nicer face for you.

In what respect do you think Brexit will be a disaster Fred unless you mean to the fat cats at the EU who sit round talking bollox all day for a well paid living.

Brexit is a tremendous opportunity for this country to do better for itself.

Sounds like London tory party spivs' spiel.

Seems to me that you have been suckered.

re- Stan? a social retard?

I second that

and put £5 to get him back to Checoslovaquia
Though maybe is only enough to the Channel tunnel, but at least is at the other side of the channel

For Mental,

Would "Freda " and "Stanislav" be put on the aeroplane also, sure they are not skill enough
and a bit handicap by now to do manual jobs........


Britain considers tough curbs on EU migration

LONDON, Sept 6 (Reuters)- Britain is considering measures to restrict immigration for all but the highest-skilled EU workers, a
leaked government document said, plans some companies called alarming and an opposition lawmaker described as "plainly cruel".

Large flows of migrants from the European Union were one of the reasons some Britons said they voted to leave the bloc
in a referendum last year, with one of the Brexit campaign's main slogans saying Britain should "take back control".

But companies, especially those in the catering, social care and retail industries which depend on the steady stream of workers
from abroad, say they fear a restrictive immigration policy after Britain leaves the EU will leave them unable to hire the staff
they need.

In the document, leaked to the Guardian newspaper and marked 'draft - official sensitive', the interior ministry said Britain
was changing its focus to make sure, where possible, British companies take on British workers rather than migrants.

"Put plainly, this means that, to be considered valuable to the country as a whole, immigration should benefit
not just the migrants themselves but also make existing residents better off," the document said.

A government spokesman said the government did not comment on leaked draft documents. "We will be setting out
our initial proposals for a new immigration system which takes back control of the UK's borders later in the Autumn," he said.

The government has also said it would listen to the results of a year-long study it commissioned in July from the
Migration Advisory Committee to look at the impact of migration and how best to control it after Brexit. ...........

note: "Freda" sure is not skilled, as her - picks - are too large and spoil the thread

Mental,

You seem to me to be so short sighted I thought you might be more able to fathom out the implications behind the cartoon if large enough.

Mind you may need a helping hand from a "carer" sometime in the near future. I wonder which country she/he will be from?

I hope that they read your diatribes before they assist you!

Freda

things you got wrong

I am not a supporter of the "Cons" as you are insinuating with the pick ( cartoon ), but I am a supporter of Britain OUT of the EU

EU has been managed by the French and Germans to get the best for them, but it is the Germans who got all the best out of it,
due to having the same currency as the other countries ( when before the Mark was too strong for them ) and better Industry
to compete with them

Mental,

Who rejected the Euro, and hasn't the UK been trying to disrupt the EU and attempting to get its own way for 40+ years. (It has failed to do so, perhaps the UK arguments for changes have been dismissed by 27 (now) other members, while they accepted Germany's approaches.

Try joining the New UK Nasty party. You may feel at home in it unless of course, they reject you.

Freda

re - cares

I am well aware of the needs of old people, as for many years I have doing voluntary work on the evenings,
but sure we do not need foreigners to do the job as you suggest.

I have many examples during those years visiting people in need, it comes one in mind at the moment.

An old man 93 ( West Indian ), was managing well by his own, but then got a bad leg and the council send carers,
almost a different one every day. One in the morning to do breakfast and cleaning the dirty dishes, and another one
late afternon to do a sandwich and much the same. (They had a code for key entry )

He told me a true story as the house when visited was well damaged ..

He said .... one day he was still in bed when one African woman asked what he wants for breakfast, he said "porridge"
and a cup of tea.
she did not know what porridge was , so he said just make me a couple toast and a cup of tea.

She burn the kitchen as she put the gas hob on and put the electric kettle on top, naturally,
you must know what happens next.

and I have many more of such things, though all are not as bad, and others are very good.

note - this case is not of a EU citizen

Mental,

To me, you are a foreigner.

OUT, OUT and OUT

two wrongs, doesn't make it right

Just wondering whether UKIPPERS' and Brexiters' party is the new home of yesterday's football hooligans.

Same sort of chants and behaviour patterns.

8-)

Freda

Getting into fantasy dreams or most likely hallucinations without any "pot", I heard mushrooms do that

I am none of the above and never was of any political party

My only sport association was with athletics, where I became a "champion" at 23, my only thing left now is much the same figure,
though the time has gone since as I am about 4 "pounds" heavier, so the elasticity is slowly diminishing.
My parner thinks she has a better figure, I would say, she is right, specialy with the top part.

note- Lunch was supper and the pudding almost as good.

------------------