Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Just as well we did reject the Euro or we would be in a terrible state , poor old Fred ,he's as thick as Stanley ..

Say good night Dick.

For Dumbo.

Watching the news yesterday and only moaners about the leakrf document were Butlins who said 30% of their staff were from overseas and someone making cakes.

Up until 10 years ago Butins had zero EU staff so they'll manage and I'm not a big fan of cakes so that'll be no great loss.

Labour playing silly buggers, just like the ones here >>> Freda and Stanislav

Brexit: MPs to begin scrutiny of vital withdrawal bill - 7 September 2017

Theresa May speaking in the House of CommonsImage copyrightPA
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Labour says the government will use Brexit to accrue huge new powers
MPs from all parties have been urged to "work with" the government to pass its main Brexit bill as they prepare to begin debating the legislation.

The EU (Withdrawal) Bill will end the supremacy of EU law in the UK dating back more than 40 years but convert all existing EU laws into domestic ones.
Labour says it will vote against the bill as it stands, saying it amounts to a huge power grab by the executive.

Ministers say it is an "essential foundation" for post-Brexit Britain.
The UK is due to leave the EU at the end of March 2019 following last year's referendum vote.

Negotiations between the two sides on the terms of exit are ongoing, with the European Union publishing its latest set of position papers, including one on the crucial issue of the future of the Irish border, on Thursday.
The government has insisted that the withdrawal legislation, informally known as the repeal bill, will provide legal and practical certainty for the UK as it prepares for life outside the 28-member bloc.

While overturning the 1972 European Communities Act which took the UK into the then European Economic Community, the legislation will ensure all direct EU laws applying to the UK will be transferred onto the statute book and continue to have legal force after the UK's withdrawal.

Dil,

Lazy Employers in this Country have been winging for years about "can't get the staff" without actually training people and paying decent wages and conditions.

Pay peanuts you get monkeys, pay nothing... you get nowt.

Sssh,

Dil likes being a monkey.

I'll agree with those two, Stan.

I don't understand why we can't find Brits to do UK jobs -
Stan shine light, pse...
---- is it UK-Co's won't pay enough . . . OR is it that with local uncertainty no-one in Britain, wants to move to an unknown prospect ( when even BigCo can sell-out, there being no G'tee of long-term progress anymore ).
Where Johnny Foreigner scores is they are already working for an even worse prospect ( er, as they see all UK as being Much Better, perhaps?), so they are prepared to take the RISK, esp in the belief that even if it doesn't work-out, they can benefit by staying here . . . the "Job Application" is just their push to taking the plunge..... and bringing their family members here, in good time.

As far as UK-Co's concerned: they believe this new employee will "Do the Job" - but in reality they maybe don't care , if it squeezes the remaining Employees . . . who may fear Redundancy, Factory Move, or daring to Ask for more...

As to the NFU telling us ( News Item this week), that Lincoln's farmers need to Import field-workers . . . . Where are the imported Workers from last-year? Is this a continuous stream, or are these really refreshed from seasonal work throughout Europe? I get the impression we need ever-more and each year's import just "melts into the towns", never to "field-work" again - or am I reading too much,, as I though we imported most of our food, so the Lincolnshire field-work should be automated, removing the drudge.

We, UK, should be wary of Population growth . . . we are already "Too Full" for many regions' infrastructure . . . and [ Eleph in Rm ], what happens when Automation replaces 60% of jobs . . . . I won't cry over Estate Agents/Solicitors, but there is a long-list of so-called "Professionals" that will be replaced by websites offering better outcomes; each feasting on AI -via the Cloud . . . probably passing PROFITS to US citizens. Meanwhile our Euro-Governments squabble over Treaty wording . . . . ignoring the massive Luddite-unrest scheduled for c.2040. I find that a real worry . . . and a good-enough reason to achieve immigration as a generous negative number... to minimise the numbers of unworkers.

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If you want to see this happening;- look to Uber replacing our taxi-drivers....Once driverless cars are permitted, Uber drivers won't be needed...they're pawns in a "Bigger Picture". I find the UK-Gov. attitude very "Short-term" - as I guess their only concern is not doing anything - that might prevent their re-posturing for re-Election.

Grr. all round.

Hangon, you have it in your early words "is UK-CO'S won't pay enough" combined with their reluctance to train their staff themselves at their own expense and not to expect us the tax payer to foot the bill for them.

Sorry I have not read the rest of your post yet as I have something to do but I will later.

Is it time for your afternoon medication Stan ?

re - won't pay enough

Something is for sure "Stanislav" is not only a Labour supporter but someone on the Union's black list by the Companies.

There are plenty of people they think, their work is keeping the mattress warm instead of geetting up in the morning.
But any business can not over pay workers either in order to keep the their balance sheet on the black.
No company can keep going on making loses, or trying to export when others are selling cheaper than you.

STRIKE is their motive to strangle anything with profits.

Stan , not sure how it works now but Butlins always paid their staff as little as they could get away with then charged them a ludicrous amount for accommodation and food. That's why you will find that probably less than 10% of the work force are from the local area.

Should May, Cameron and the tories be tried for treason?


"Theresa May and the shambolic Brexit negotiations"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/10/observer-view-on-theresa-may--brexit-negotiations


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"For the sake of the UK and its international reputation, the fractured, fractious Tories and their limping leader must finally renounce the lie they have peddled ever since last year’s referendum. Yes, Britain voted to leave the EU. No, it did not vote for the economic penury, falling wages, lower living standards, spiralling sterling devaluation and slacker food safety, health and environmental protections that a full-blown rupture with the single market and customs union would surely bring. It did not vote for unequal trade deals with economic superpowers such as China and the US that, if they happen at all, will be the consequence of a weakened Britain going it alone.

Britain did not vote to trash its proud, centuries-old tradition of welcoming foreigners, to diminish the hard-won protections of workers of all hues and backgrounds, to turn overseas students into suspected criminals or to weaken the civic and human rights of ordinary citizens in a constitutional democracy. It did not vote for a discriminatory migration policy that impoverishes our communities and culture, undercuts our industries, earns the contempt of all Europe and disadvantages our citizens abroad. It did not vote to give the government unprecedented legal powers over our lives with which, as we know from experience, it cannot be trusted.

As MPs prepare to vote tomorrow, they should also remember Britain did not vote for, and does not want, an enfeebled parliament that bows down before Downing Street, puts party before country and fails to stand up for the interests of all the people."-

You could not believe it, but Stanislav and Freda would ........ well you know what I mean.

The biggest worry for sterling is not Brexit, but Jeremy Corbyn
JEREMY WARNER - Telegraph - 9 September 2017

The pound has recovered a smidgen since its flirtation with euro parity a couple of weeks back, but remains almost incredibly low by historic standards. Just to put this in context, the pound would today buy you little more than six and a half French francs in old money.

A relatively reliable rule of thumb used to be that you bought the franc at anything more than 10 to the pound and sold at anything less than eight. We are way outside the range, so is it time to sell the euro?

Probably, yes, but only on a long-term view, and possibly not to buy pounds. As things stand, sterling is stuck in a kind of no-man’s land. A hard Brexit would almost certainly send the pound lower still, but a soft exit and decent trade deal with Europe would equally likely send it quite a bit higher............

Telegraph - The biggest worry for sterling is not Brexit, but Jeremy Corbyn

A soft exit will mean "more of the same"

We don't want that, we voted to get rid of that, how hard is it for the remainiacs to understand that?


Very, by the looks of it.

5,000 folks marched through London yesterday to demand that we stay in the EU. The speakers included some poor incoherent dishevelled Irish chap who I thought was a Big Issue seller invited onto the platform as part of a drive for diversity but turned out to be Bob Geldof. Though the folks, most of whom seemed to be notably physically unattractive and/ or significantly overweight showing, once again, that politics really is show business for ugly people came up with all sort reasons for protesting its clear that all wanted stay in the EU.And that is how they felt before the nation vote the other way year. These remoaners just cannot accept democracy.

Wake up!

Labour in Brexit chaos as senior MP vows to defy Jeremy Corbyn's order to vote against Repeal Bill



By Jack Maidment, Political Correspondent
11 September 2017 • 8:10am




Labour MPs have been warned that following Jeremy Corbyn’s orders and voting against a key piece of Brexit legislation risks plunging the country into chaos.

Caroline Flint, a Labour MP and a former Europe minister, said she will not adhere to the three-line-whip imposed by Mr Corbyn as she urged her colleagues not to try and “kill” the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill.

MPs are due to vote on the Bill tonight with David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, having warned that blocking it would amount to agreeing to a “chaotic” exit from the bloc.




More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/11/labour-brexit-chaos-senior-mp-vows-defy-jeremy-corbyns-order/

Earlier this week, Yanis Varoufakis, the Greek ex-Finance Minister, (who is a bit of a leftie but who we all know and love, especially on QT) advised Theresa May to "by-pass" Michel Barnier to get Brexit talks back on track.

He said that Mr Barnier had no mandate to negotiate on behalf of the EU.

An interesting thought.

Hmmm?

Yes. I think I'm all in favour of by-passing him and getting on with direct one-to-one EU trade talks.