Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

there's so much crap here from the likes of GB (filtered thank goodness) and fred when he's being especially silly, that i have found better things to do for much of the time

Stop playing with yourself.

A bit like Cameron saying to his mate Osborne.

" Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into."

cynic 75073

"there's so much crap here from the likes of GB (filtered thank goodness)"


That's not very nice talking about Gordon Brown like that, after all he's gone back
under the slimy stone he came out from after giving his penny's worth on staying
in the EU, and has fallen back into a comatose state.

But cynic in posting that, is trying to make out that HE is the only one that
post anything intelligent or worth posting...When the facts, and cynics posting
record proves otherwise..

And the reason he has me filtered(supposedly) is that i've shown him to be
a complete fool with a severe lack of any researching ability, and thus i've
given him intellectual arse spankings on a number of occasions...LOFL!!

He likes that :-)

Well, I'm so pleased to be able to say I'm over my addiction to the Hokey Cokey.

I've completely turned myself round now and that's what it's all about.

You should work for the government or Nigel.

There's been quite a rotten stink in my home town, Northampton, during the last couple of years or so. Here's a good hint of what it's about:

£13.5m council loan to Northampton Town rushed through – auditors

• Inquiry finds this was partly due to pressure from Conservative council leader
• Loan for work on Northampton's Sixfields stadium also under police investigation

Improvements at Northampton’s Sixfields stadium were never completed and £10.25m remains owing to Northampton borough council.

David Conn, Northampton Chronicle
Thursday 24 November 2016 19.31 GMT Last modified on Thursday 24 November 2016 19.32 GMT

A £13.5m loan to Northampton Town was made by the local council too quickly and with inadequate information and safeguards, partly because the then leader of the council, the Conservative David Mackintosh, now the local MP, was pressing for it, an internal inquiry has found.

Northamptonshire police are continuing to investigate what happened to the loan, made to finance improvements including a new east stand at Northampton’s Sixfields stadium which were never completed, while £10.25m remains owing to Northampton borough council.

The police investigation includes inquiries into £36,000 in financial donations made to Mackintosh’s local Conservative association by Howard Grossman, whose company, 1st Land, was contracted to manage the Sixfields development, and people associated with him.


Despite a large proportion of the £13.5m being paid to Grossman’s company, the company building the new stand, Buckingham Group, downed tools in early 2015 having not been paid £1.9m they were owed, and put 1st Land into administration.

The damning internal inquiry, conducted by PricewaterhouseCoopers, the council auditor, found that Mackintosh, as the council leader, was stressing the importance of making the loan and that it be done “promptly”, after he made it a political priority for the club to be able to redevelop its ground. The club, then owned by David Cardoza, was in poor financial health, but this was not properly taken into account and insufficient checks were made before the decision was made to lend so much money, PwC concluded. Emails examined for the inquiry “raise concerns about the short timescales and pressure ... to conclude arrangements”, the auditor found.

“Email correspondence between the leader [Mackintosh] and officers highlight the importance of the transaction and the desire to conclude the transaction promptly,” the report states. “The political commitment in the Conservative manifesto along with the July 2013 cabinet decision [to approve the loan] was considered a commitment to provide loan financing, despite there being limited information available at this time. Detailed business cases, due diligence checks and professional legal advice were not obtained until after the cabinet approval was obtained.”

The full £13.5m was rapidly loaned in tranches to the football club between September 2013 and August 2014, but the report found the council did not compare the scale of money being drawn down with the slow and stalled construction at the ground. “The physical progress of the stadium development should have provided a warning sign that the development was not progressing at the rate expected or in line with the funds provided,” the report said.

The council said in a statement that it “apologised unreservedly for the failings identified in the report”. Jonathan Nunn, the current Conservative leader of the council, said measures had been put in place to improve procedures:“The council’s management of this project fell seriously short of the standards people have a right to expect from their council, and that is wholly unacceptable,” he said. “I accept that the council failed to manage this loan in a proper way and clear action must be taken to show that lessons have been learned.”

Grossman could not be reached for comment. In November, after the police were asked to widen their investigation to include the political donations to Mackintosh’s constituency office, he said via his solicitor that he welcomed it as he believed it would “clear his name”. Grossman confirmed he paid £6,195 to the Conservative party for “a number of tickets” to a fundraising dinner with Mackintosh and did not consider this to be a conflict of interest. A further £30,000 was donated to the Northampton South constituency office by associates of Grossman, who could not be reached for comment.

Mackintosh, elected as the MP for Northampton South in last year’s May general election, said in a statement: “The donations to the Conservative party are part of the ongoing police investigation and so we have nothing further to add.” The constituency office has previously said that the donations were properly declared.

Responding to the PwC report, Mackintosh said that when he became the council leader there had been “years of frustration and waiting for key projects in the town to progress”, and he blamed council officers for the failures to manage the loan to develop Sixfields.

“I’m pleased that the shortcomings have been identified so this type of situation cannot arise again and welcome the continued investigations into this to recover the money,” Mackintosh said.

Northamptonshire police said it is “conducting a wide ranging and independent investigation into the full circumstances of the [council] loan to Northampton Town”.

If you want a quick 'skim of a read of it', here's a link to the Internal Inquiry Report on the above:

http://www.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/councillors/documents/g8317/Public%20reports%20pack%20Monday%2005-Dec-2016%2018.00%20Audit%20Committee.pdf?T=10

Notice carefully, that there are absolutely no names mentioned, in the report and so for that very simple reason, the whole thing is just a whitewash, IMHO.

That's how politicians get away with their lack-a-day mismanagement of our local affairs and how these idiots just chuck our money about.

Meanwhile, the whole town has tons of pot-holes, etc, etc. Well, need I go on? You know the typical story already, I'm sure.

I do hope, that someone somewhere, who is charged with the types of responsibilities for voting on and deciding where Council Monies are spent and allocated, learns something from this Northampton Council story and that the knowledge of it goes on and stops this kind of 'cock-up' from ever occurring again.

Did they not have a clerk of works to keep check on the progress?


The full £13.5m was rapidly loaned in tranches to the football club between September 2013 and August 2014, but the report found the council did not compare the scale of money being drawn down with the slow and stalled construction at the ground. “The physical progress of the stadium development should have provided a warning sign that the development was not progressing at the rate expected or in line with the funds provided,” the report said.

Is it worse than what may be happening to the UK as a whole.

uk 2016 thousands houses now have only beds but the houses are full of them
these homes avge 3 bed have over 9 migrants living in them some have over 14
they pay on avge 750 a month which is cheap for them as it works out at £75 a month
but the real losers are the councils and the services ,they only pay one council tax .
they go out in the night to dump the waste as they only have one bin .

the employers love these migrants its good for business
would the brits like their children to live like this .
the uk is back to pre vic days .

councils can not get access to these homes they have to go to court ,then they move out then move back in the next day .

reading about this issue is terrible the uk will be the new slums

Packed in like sardines, 31 migrants were discovered living in this four-bedroom north London home as two rogue landlords raked in £100,000-a-year charging each of them £65 a week in rent.
The scam was uncovered when council officers raided the property and found up to six tenants to a room and a woman living in a 'Slumdog Millionaire-esque' shack of pallets and tarpaulins.
The home in Wembley is only licensed for seven people. All 31 were forced to share two toilets.

this is happening all over the uk

the labor party, a blind man to count people coming to uk, a idiot to sell our gold cheap, most moves are done to promote the labor party, nothing to do with the workers, keep giving whole area 's away to house the rest of the world, you
have seen corbyn say wants more houses built to sound good but does not want to
plug the hole, labor supporters wake up. BB

Think the Scots have already done that black bird and the North of England coming a close second. Be interesting to hear the audience reaction on Question Time next week in Wakefield as opposed to last nights audience in London. Pity that wanker dim Tim won't be on the panel. :0)

Little Timmy Farron wouldn't go to those sorts of places they would lynch him .

Laurenrose

"uk back to pre vic days." Wake up you idiot!!.

We no longer have workhouses, we don't send kids up chimneys and long ago cleared away all our inner city Victorian slums.

Look at the reality of life in modern Britain, less of the negative waves.

will you who needs to wake up and open your eyes and ears
councils are struggling to evict over populated homes migrants living rats .

read the reports , yes uk 2016 full of migrants living 6 or 8 to a room to save money
but destroying the local services and pay nothing
their are now more no areas in the uk than in Africa

on the outskirts of Stafford their is a farm over hundred run down caravans full of migrants when I spoke to a councillor about it he said yes we know and they pay noo council tax because of were they live and work on the land but use all the services
will not post what else he said

should we look the other way and let the country go down the pan