This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

It is interesting to me that while Blair thinks the price paid with British lives in Afghanistan and Iraq is worth while I don't think he has any members of his family in the front line.

Perhaps when he is kicked out of office he will volunteer for front line duties with his cohort Bush in tow.

Fred - Why should he have members of his family in the frontline. Would this make him (or anybody else for that matter) a better Primeminister?

And as unpopular as this is surely going to be, I think that it is probably worth remembering that those individuals that elected to take a career in the Armed Services should have always been aware that there might come a time when their services were called upon. After all, they are well paid (even in times of no conflict), get extra bonuses when they are in a war zone (though not necessarily active in it) and of course do get extremely good pensions that are protected and index linked, regardless of whether they ever see action or not.

Probably just alienated myself from half the readers out there, but.......

StarFrog, I doubt that anything could resuscitate Blair as a prime minister.

I think he has B. the Health Service by indiscriminate and misspending of cash.

Caused lack of coordination of the services and miss-organisation.

The same applies to Education with the destruction of the vale of University education and lowering standards of School Qualifications. Disillusioning of the staff of the various entities

The misspending of money on the transport system.
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Chaos in changes of laws regarding terrorism and Immigration.

The disillusionment of many in the Civil service.

This is just a short list of his failings and does not even address his foreign policy disastrous career.

This was all managed with an overwhelming majority when the "labour party" were elected.

Unfortunately, I think he is is destroying the the labour party and the longer he remains the more likely the labour party will be rejected at the next elections.


His period of strutting the world stage should be over and allow him to spend more time with his family and reflections.

And of course, Fred, Blair was the man who actually misspent the Health Service money, failed to bring up our children properly, was useless as a teacher, etc, etc, etc.

He made false promises, operating on belief in himself, failed to take informed advice from those with more experience in their particular fields.

This led to the apathy in support services, civil service and other organisations.

He has also led to the lowering world opinion of Britain.

It is unpleasant to have as PM a person who is considered by many as a liar and are not prepared to trust what he states.

He behaved in my opinion with delusions of grandeur and yet is another failed messiah.

It is time for him to go.

He's not the messiah...........
He's a very naughty boy!
:-)

A very naughty boy? Sure.
Must go definately.
His biggest crime was getting caught, all politicians talk bollocks. He did it in style and was caught out. I have never been a red supporter, this whole business is a good example why, for a better example read my post a long while ago about the civil war in Zaire.
Blair hasnt made a decision that really affects us, the people, since he's been in power. He is to scared of upsetting a minority to make a decision that benifits the country.
He needs to grow a set.

...and heres me thinking it was just a monty python quote.
He's a politician, he lies. Will be no better or worse than his soon to be replacement.
All I wany is the UK to be a UNITED KINGDOM. lead by example. Not preach/pamper to the whims of others.
if we had said, we're going to war in iraq to depose saddam- I would'nt have had a problem with it. The damage was done when no WMD's were found- (for gods-sakes they did'nt even have the nonce to plant some~).
Morals , please were talking about politicians.
LOL

Going to war was an attempt at winning another election.
I Agree we should have gone, blair hid the facts because he didnt have the gumption to be honest. The whole WMD question to me is irrelevant, they got rid of Saddam a WMD on his own.
The people there have never had real freedom, its hard for them to suddenly have it. We take it for granted. This mixed with primary school level education makes it hard for the real people to grasp our systems of government, and to see a real future.

How many in this country "grasp our system" etc. ?

lol

Marc

They understand it but they'll never have it!

The rival Islamic factions will keep fighting each other, killing millions (including foreign troops) and eventually create seperate states from the wrecked remains of Iraq. We should pull out and leave them to it before all our troops are sacrificed to this lost cause.

Islam "the religion of peace"

Not being funny but when did any war in the name of GOD do anything but result in a lot of dead people?

ALL Religion has a lot to answer for.

Religion has been the cause of more deaths since time began than anything else.
Amazing since religion, I was told, was all about peace understanding and a tolerant way of life.
In iraq most of the fighting is not being done by the iraqi people, but small factions from outside the country, who have hi jacked the situation to fuel there own aims and ideals.
Richard your right, that if the people dont take ownership of thier country then they will be dragged back into the quadmire from which there are emerging.
The west can only do so much. In my opinion this should be limited to establishing the basic infrastructure of a society, including police and goverment, the n pulling out.
The british armed forces are stretched to limits as it is. There is no reserve. If another emergency occurs now britiain will not have the troops to respond. To clarify, if the falklands were invaded today britain could not retake them without the help of NATO.

I believe that Bush and Blair consider themselves Christians and the Israeli Prime minister calls himself a Jew.

All went to war and committed murder with GOD ON THEIR SIDES.

I don't think it is the GOD or the religion that is the problem but the abuse that leaders make in the name of religion.

My feeling is that when eventually we withdraw from Iraq we will leave behind chaos and a more unstable Middle East.

I also think that Israel should be made to pay financial retribution for the Atrocities the committed in Lebanon. Also they should be compelled use their personnel to clear the clusters bombs and unexploded armaments they have left.

Iraq and Lebanon will be the legacy of Blair and Bush.

It is good to see at last there are some in the labour party with the moral courage to call for his departure. I hope sooner rather than later.

Monday would do.

Fred, I believe we agree on the third line!!
Got to say though that the Irael problem goes back before Blair was in power. before he was born in truth!!!
Alan

then it's agreed...lets declare war on the ultimate terrorist: GOD and those that allegedly represent him.

I feel better already.
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Blessed are the meek, oh shut up big nose!!

well if it's good enuoght for je-hovah


when in rome.........
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Yeah, but you trod on my bloody foot.
And you're eating my juniper berries!!!