Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

a semite with semantic pretensions perhaps! ..... i actually wonder how much of Hamas's direction is driven by outside influences (direction!), rather as Israel will often ask for Uncle Sam's tacit or even overt approval to carry out certain acts or incursions - see; i easily avoided inflammatory words like aggression and terrorism and atrocity etc!

Good to see Hamas making sure that the needy Palestinians are looked after by the UN.

"The UN aid agency in Gaza says it has suspended all aid shipments, accusing the Hamas government of seizing hundreds of tonnes of food supplies.

Ten truckloads of flour and rice were taken from the Palestinian side of the Kerem Shalom crossing, the UN's Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) said.

Unrwa said it was the second such theft in recent days, and sought assurances from Hamas there would be no repeat."


UN halts Gaza aid over 'thefts' - BBC

Pretty much as I expected MM. I don't really know why they send 'aid' into these sort of situations.

It wouldn't surprise me if Hamas were no sending this loot through the tunnels to Egypt to sell with the aim of buying more missiles.

Its a funny old world.

MM, What is your proof that there is no afterlife or Paradise?

I do not believe in a god and therefore I have a belief. But, I find it difficult to deny somebody elses belief in a god, or to say that they are wrong in doing so.

What I find interesting is the degree of certainty you appear to have about what is right and wrong for yourself and then appear to wish these standards to be applied to others.

Unless a person is psychotic, I find it difficult to believe that person is amoral, although his moral code or conscience may differ from mine, or yours. I think that the moral code of an individual is not set in concrete, or stone and does modify in response to new understandings gained consciously or unconsciously from living. Of course you may be blinkered and not be prepared to reappraise you positioning.


I found your statement; A terrorist is a terrorist. They are nihilists. They are born to destroy, they train their children to destroy and die destroying, interesting.

You seem to ignore Israels glorious past of Israeli terrorists such as Stern, Ben Gurion, Menachen Begin etc.. They were guilty of multiple murders and other criminal actions.

I think the named, became leading lights or politicians in the government of Israel.

Perhaps you are inferring that Hamas is a different species of being from the people of Israel and unable to change.

It seems to me that you as well as some of the present Israeli government are in a time warp with views and actions more appropriate to the Middle Ages.

If what is stated about the ten tons of rice, I think the action was wrong.

But how much corruption has been attributed to leading members of recent Israeli governments. I believe there are inquiries continuing.

MM, What is your proof that there is no afterlife or Paradise?

I do not believe in a god and therefore I have a belief. But, I find it difficult to deny somebody elses belief in a god, or to say that they are wrong in doing so.

What I find interesting is the degree of certainty you appear to have about what is right and wrong for yourself and then appear to wish these standards to be applied to others.

Unless a person is psychotic, I find it difficult to believe that person is amoral, although his moral code or conscience may differ from mine, or yours. I think that the moral code of an individual is not set in concrete, or stone and does modify in response to new understandings gained consciously or unconsciously from living. Of course you may be blinkered and not be prepared to reappraise you positioning.


I found your statement; A terrorist is a terrorist. They are nihilists. They are born to destroy, they train their children to destroy and die destroying, interesting.

You seem to ignore Israels glorious past of Israeli terrorists such as Stern, Ben Gurion, Menachen Begin etc.. They were guilty of multiple murders and other criminal actions.

I think the named, became leading lights or politicians in the government of Israel.

Perhaps you are inferring that Hamas is a different species of being from the people of Israel and unable to change.

It seems to me that you as well as some of the present Israeli government are in a time warp with views and actions more appropriate to the Middle Ages.

If what is stated about the ten tons of rice, I think the action was wrong.

But how much corruption has been attributed to leading members of recent Israeli governments. I believe there are inquiries continuing.

rawdm999,
That's exactly what they do. They trade some of the donated humanitarian food and supplies for weapons and weapon building material. The amount of aid that actually gets through to civilians is limited as often non-food aid (after delivery by aid agencies) is forcibly taken away from people by Hamas for trading purposes.
Some of the food aid is as well because Hamas want it for their military personnel.
Richard

Freddy

To post such nonsense once may be regarded as a bit silly. To post it twice is astoundingly stupid.

G

and 3 times? - lol!

Charts,

Compared with murder, it is a minor crime.
Compared with trying to starve the Gaza and West Bank, it is a minor crimes.

Get your propaganda into proportion.

Fred.
Re-read the first half of your last (double) post
as thogh it were addressed to you.
Again read your last post.
By stealing aid they are starving the population.

Charts - I agree with Freddy

Hamas are specialists in murder, kidnapping and doing harm to the peaceful citizens of the Gaza. This latest episode of theft and extortion hardly even stretches them.

It is, as Freddy so eloquently points out, "a minor crimes"

Freddy then goes on to accuse you of a disproportionate response. But then he would say that, wouldn't he?

G

Very funny.

I believe the next line is: "Who was your father?"

Couldn't resist that as I played Earnest in The Importance of Being Earnest some (sorry, many) years ago.

Also see my previous post - estimate 95% of such aid is commandered by the military or authorities. Some might say that's little different to a Prime MInister agreeing to EU rules which work against the ordinary British Citizen in order to further one's own personal ambitions. Some might say that Mr Bliar did that...I couldn't possibly comment.

And Hi to those who left their best wishes for me on this thread. Hoping to get in touch with Spaceman to meet up, now he has presumably returned from Oz.

Maggot old boy - glad you're keeping up. I had feared it was wasted on freddy.

"Freddy then goes on to accuse you of a disproportionate response"
Gausie,
I assume you are saying he means me.
He's squelched so I don't waste any of my precious time reading his gibberish.
Don't give a monkey's.
Don't respect him.
Don't value him.
Not even funny any more.
Not even sad any more.
Just zilch.

I do enjoy reading the intelligent posts on this thread, though, even from those I disagree strongly with.
Richard

'Compared with murder, it is a minor crime.'

But it is murder, as tyketto pointed out, they are starving all of those women and children, many of whom may now die!

Good Weekend all.

MC. What an amazing level response. Congratulations once again. I am feeling more and more sympathy for G. Mitchell having to deal with the problems of the Middle East.

Raw. the Israelis have been starving the West Bank and Gaza for years.

Corruption in Israel by outside forces has been prevalent for years.

Check your records.

Maybe the Israelis have been causing a few problems with food supplies but they also provide food aid.

So, your statement tells me that if the Israelis can do it then it is fine for the ruling elite of the population being starved to do it also. Nope, don't see your side of that argument.

I see it differently. Hamas cannot control the people if the people are not desparate. Best thing to do to keep them desperate, take their food away. Good plan.

I wish you a good weekend also Fred. Gotta go.

Childrens TV - Hamas style. Assud the bunny. Unbe-fuckin-lievable.

Assud update

On Hamas children's television, popular pink Palestinian rabbit "Assud" died a martyr's death. Just before expiring from wounds incurred in IAF bombing, the rabbit implored the program hostess to remind the Palestinian children, "Pioneers of Tomorrow", to "carry on the struggle against the treacherous enemy, through the resistance and the mujahideen, to return to Jaffa, Acre, Haifa and Tel Aviv, Allah willing". Then he died, with that big smile forever frozen on his face. Saraa, the hostess, then turned to the camera and said to the children: "Victory is near, Allah willing we will follow the same path ... We will liberate the soil from the filth of the Zionists and purify it with the soldiers of the Pioneers of Tomorrow."

this is truly sick and disgusting