Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The last is a fair assumption!

Actually, I think the tory press and others suffering from phobias are trying to make mountains out of molehills.

The last is a fair assumption!

Actually, I think the tory press and others suffering from phobias are trying to make mountains out of molehills.

i confess i cannot make up my mind about this anti-semitic furore

certainly i think corbyn's support of hamas and hezbollah is disgraceful in the extreme

however, in very simplistic terms, i think the palestinians have a right to at least a degree of self-determination ..... but similarly, israel also has a right to exist, which goes completely against the creed of hezbollah and probably hamas too

interestingly, egypt is a major trading partner pf israel's

In the past, I have had friendships with individuals I disagreed fundamentally with.

We didn't seem to contaminate or denigrate one another.

Talking to the enemy has often avoided or reduced the amount of bloodshed at a later date.

Perhaps I am deaf to some Jewish "abuses", but it seems to me that I am more aware of more Islamophobia, anti-Christian rhetoric, "Europhobia" and other nationalistic jingoism than anti-Semitism.

Again, the arguments are often against the action of the Israeli government, which is elected by and is "representative" of the people of that state, and not against broad Jewish people and "culture".

But the M.E. as a whole seems a b. mess and not simply due to the "b.arabs".
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JC, I think believes in a representative form of leadership, rather than a belief that because he was elected leader of a party that he has become omniscient and should "direct" his party in the ways he thinks it should act.

He prefers conversion rather than coercion.

Democracy has its problems.

so did neville chamberlain ..... not intended quite as unpleasantly as i am sure it comes across

A tory leader wasn't he?

But my guess is that during the period of appeasement the legs were working below the water trying to prepare for what was to come.

Mind if they had had a sensible organisation like the EU, that disaster may have been averted.

Look up at the stars and not down to your feet all the time.

(Preparation for running away all the time.)

sadly the only one who preparing for war appears to have been churchill and his few followers

certainly at that time there was a very strong pro-fascist group in uk, who would happily have jumped into bed with hitler and his close cabal - a some allegedly did

Copied from across the road .. hits a few nails on the head imo.



MoS

DOMINIC LAWSON: Why everyone should fear the murderous hatred of Jeremy Corbyn’s feral shock troops


Can we get one thing straight about the hard-Left, whose takeover of the Labour Party is now almost complete?

They are not hateful only because of their rank odour of anti-Semitism. The anti-Semitism is just one manifestation of their all-embracing hatefulness.

Or, to put it another way: even if we hadn’t become aware of the way so many of Jeremy Corbyn’s most ardent supporters use the word ‘Jew’ as a form of abuse, there was already ample evidence that they are filled with an almost murderous hatred of their political opponents, and of any group in society they regard as an enemy.

The Labour party has moved to distance itself from a series of pro-Corbyn social media groups after an investigation found they contained hundreds of anti-Semitic slurs


I am not attempting to diminish the revelations in this and other newspapers about the disgusting emanations of anti-Semitism with which the Labour leader has contentedly co-operated (whether Middle Eastern terrorist organisations or so-called street art redolent of the Nazi publication Der Sturmer).

My mother’s Jewish family — prominent as the owners of the J. Lyons catering empire — was on a list of those the Gestapo had identified for immediate arrest following Adolf Hitler’s planned invasion of the UK, so I owe my existence to the successful fight against the most lethal of all manifestations of anti-Semitism — the German government of 1933-1945.

Quarrel

But World War II was not fought to save the Jewish people — that had nothing whatever to do with the heroic British decision to challenge the military might of Nazi Germany.

I’m under no illusion that the vast majority of British voters cared much about anti-Semitism then, or do now. The rally last week in Parliament Square organised by the Board of Deputies of British Jews in protest against Corbyn’s indulgence of Jew-haters will have been regarded as an obscure internecine Labour quarrel of no great significance by most voters.

A probe into 20 of the biggest pro-Corbyn Facebook groups uncovered routine attacks on Jewish people, including Holocaust denial and comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany. Pictured: Corbyn meeting with Rabbi Pinter


But such voters should be aware that, even though they might not be Jewish themselves, they have reason to be afraid of the pathologically intolerant forces that support and nourish Corbynism; or what used to be called the hard-Left.

If you are a woman, you should certainly be aware of it. Misogyny as much as anti-Semitism characterises their attacks on those within the Labour Party they perceive as enemies.

Those such as Yvette Cooper or Liz Kendall (both of whom stood against Corbyn in his first campaign for the Labour leadership) received appalling abuse of a sexualised nature.

Jewish Labour MP Luciana Berger - who is a regular target for abuse - said she and her staff had gone to the police over the abuse they had suffered from left-wingers, including one email urging her to kill herself


And when it seemed likely that she might later challenge that leadership, the lesbian Labour MP Angela Eagle experienced homophobic abuse (as well as a brick thrown through the window of her office.)

A glimpse of the wide river of filth that is showered over Corbyn’s critics, real or imagined, was revealed by the Daily Mail’s Guy Adams last week as he uncovered (an unpleasant job, but someone had to do it) filthy anti-Semitic comments from Facebook groups favoured by the Labour leader. And yesterday the Sunday Times reproduced foul postings from Facebook sites such as We Support Jeremy Corbyn, Jeremy Corbyn Leads Us To Victory and Let’s Help Make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister. A selection follows.

Jeremy Corbyn Delivers a Passover message



On the BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg: ‘Give her a body bag’; ‘I’d love to slap that stupid Tory b****’; ‘Shut your neck and jump off a cliff’ (No wonder the BBC felt it necessary to hire bodyguards to protect Ms Kuenssberg when she attended the last Labour Party conference).

On Theresa May: ‘What she needs is a .45 bullet in the back of the head’; ‘I’d just f****** shoot her’; ‘How much for a paid assassin?’

On Esther McVey, the Work and Pensions Secretary: ‘This f****** cow needs lynching’; ‘Hit her with a brick to shut her up’; ‘Should be publicly whipped.’

And, of course, the Jewish critics of Jeremy Corbyn got the usual treatment. So, to Jonathan Arkush, the President of the Board of Deputies of British Jews: ‘I am not anti-Semitic but tell the Jews go and get f***ed;’ ‘F*** off and take your Zionist holier than thou fake attitude back to where you were spawned.’

Given that Corbyn claimed to stand for a ‘kinder, gentler politics’, this foam-flecked abuse masquerading as political argument would, you might think, cause their beloved leader deep embarrassment. But he shows no sign of being discomfited. Perhaps because he laps up the almost mindless adoration he receives (‘Oh, Jeremy Corbyn’) it is hard for him to disown the flip side of that idolatrous support: feral attacks on the doubters.

Violent

Never forget, also, that Corbyn’s favourite newspaper — and the one for which he wrote a column for many years — is the Communist daily, the Morning Star. For decades it followed the Stalinist practice (and, indeed, of Lenin before that) of using grotesquely violent language against all opponents.

They were to be ‘crushed’, ‘annihilated’, ‘ground into dust’. Lenin and Stalin did just that to their enemies within what is laughably called the Socialist family.

This is the message which greets Facebook users when they try to click on Jeremy Corbyn's personal account


And when on the Andrew Marr Show on the BBC in January, Corbyn praised Mao Zedong’s so-called ‘Great Leap Forward’ — the forced collectivisation of Chinese agriculture which caused the death of an estimated 50 million by starvation or state-directed killing — it should have become clear to the British people as a whole that the Labour leader can accept almost any outrage if it is conducted in the name of Socialism.

He — and his most viperous fan club — feel able to do so because they have convinced themselves it is all being done in the name of the poor, who, in their deluded doctrine, are poor only because the rich are rich.

What this means, in turn, is that the rich are inherently wicked. Which is where the Jews come in. The anti-Semitism of the hard-Left is not based on religious intolerance (the ancient and now nearly extinct Christian enmity towards Jews which Hitler cunningly exploited, while being an atheist himself). No, it is based on the idea that Jews are the black heart of the global capitalist conspiracy against the masses.

Karl Marx himself (who was baptised after his Jewish father converted to Lutheranism) took this line.

Tract

In his 1844 essay On The Jewish Question, he wrote: ‘What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Money is the jealous God of Israel. The Bill of Exchange is the real God of the Jew.’ And in an article for the New York Daily Tribune in 1856, Marx pronounced: ‘The real work is done by the Jews, and can only be done with them, as they monopolise the machinery of the loan-mongering mysteries . . .’

Jeremy Corbyn ignores questions about anti-semitism



In fairness to the father of Communism, such language was commonplace then: it is impossible to imagine a prominent newspaper publishing a tract like that nowadays. Which makes it all the more depressing and bizarre that such views have been springing from the lips of Labour Party members. Yesterday, the comedian and novelist David Baddiel recalled being told by someone identifying himself as ‘progressive’ that while it was vile to use the ‘n’ word to describe African-Americans, it was perfectly OK to mock Jewish people as ‘Yids’.

And when Baddiel asked this ‘progressive friend’ why he drew that distinction, he responded: ‘Because Jews are rich’.

I suspect something like that lies behind Corbynite Labour’s reluctance to discipline party representatives who post articles on Facebook asserting that the Holocaust is a hoax and the Nazis’ gas chambers never existed (a calumny which once would have been associated only with the far-Right).

They seem to think that as Britain’s small Jewish population is white and, in the main, comfortably off, they do not deserve any protection. But the millions of people not part of that community should be worried, too. Because the intolerance of the Corbynite shock troops will extend to anyone who seeks to challenge their divisive and, frankly, conspiracy-obsessed doctrine.

Their hate extends way beyond those who demonstrated against them last week in Parliament Square. The only good news is that, as has happened before, the hate-filled and fanatical far-Left will end up devouring itself.

Is that a hate mail or the Daily Mail?

She has delayed emergency.

Can she delay dying?

Fred1new - 01 Apr 2018 21:31 - 80530 of 80536
In the past, I have had friendships with individuals I disagreed fundamentally with.

We didn't seem to contaminate or denigrate one another.
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Funny post from Fred who if he doesn't like your view calls you all sorts including Hitler .

Fred you really are suffering from mental illness.

I notice Fred is keeping his thoughts to himself about his idol attending an event organised by Jewdas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43624231

Are JC`s days numbered and if he holds on until an election (which I doubt he will) how deeply will labour be buried by TM?

the tories scarcely deserve to be re-elected, but labour under corbyn is such an appalling alternative, that one shudders

a look at the perennial actions of the french unions is just a small taster

Manuel,

From the amount of huff and puff you give Jeremy, you must be scared stiff that he will be elected at the next General election.

I wonder what you are really afraid of?

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Strange the only views that some would allow is those they agree with.

Schoolboy infantile bully behaviour comes to mind.

Come on Bunter.

So Fred, tell us if you think your pal Jeremy should have any regrets over the "radical" Jewish Event he attended?

Do you think it was in the best interests of the Labour Party and its general members, that had dreams of coming to power in the next election?

Can you give a clear and concise response please and not another diversion.

WTF!

Pensioner, 78, arrested on suspicion of murder after suspected burglar dies in tussle

Telegraph
Patrick Sawer, senior reporter Francesca Marshall
4 APRIL 2018 • 12:03PM

A pensioner has been arrested after a suspected burglar was killed during a violent tussle at his home.

The 78-year-old was held on suspicion of murder after the 38-year-old died of his wounds in hospital in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

Police said the struggle broke out after the pensioner had found two men inside his home in South Park, Hither Green, south London shortly after midnight.

One suspect, armed with a screwdriver, forced the home-owner into his kitchen when he discovered them, while his accomplice went upstairs.

Detectives believe a struggle ensued between "one of the males and the home-owner" and the 38-year-old intruder was stabbed in the upper body.

He was later found collapsed in nearby Further Green Road by paramedics from London Ambulance Service, who took him to a central London hospital where he died at 3.37am. Police were unable to confirm whether the suspect had been stabbed with the screwdriver.

In a statement Scotland Yard said: “At 00:45hrs on Wednesday, 4 April, police were called by a home owner to reports of a burglary in progress at an address in South Park Crescent, Hither Green SE6, and a man injured.

“The 78-year-old resident found two males inside the address. A struggle ensued between one of the males and the home owner. The man, aged 37, sustained a stab wound to the upper body.”

The home owner suffered bruising to his arms and his injuries are not life threatening.

Police arrested him on suspicion of grievous bodily harm before then arresting him on suspicion of murder.

He was taken to a south London police station where he remains at this time.

The second suspect in the burglary fled the scene prior to police arrival and and is now being hunted by the Met’s Homicide and Major Crime Command.

remember Farmer Martin who was jailed for shooting a burglar a number of years ago

Clearly "stand your ground" does not apply here. As for the burglar being hunted by the Met, I wouldn't hold your breath. There are dozens of killings of youngsters and other general mayhem at the head of the never moving queue. But it will have the manpower to grill this old chap for days.

Two males, (that's not one male, it's TWO males) break into the home of a 78 yr old single man.

The grammar is a bit crap, really. It reads:

One suspect, armed with a screwdriver, forced the home-owner into his kitchen when he discovered them, while his accomplice went upstairs.

I think it could be put a little better and would be much clearer too, if it said:

When he discovered them, one suspect, armed with a screwdriver, forced the home-owner into his kitchen, while his accomplice went upstairs.

The newspaper report goes on:

Detectives believe a struggle ensued between "one of the males and the home-owner" and the 38-year-old intruder was stabbed in the upper body.

The term 'forced the home-owner into the kitchen' indicates to me, that the home-owner didn't go into the kitchen readily.

In any kitchen there are usually knives about the place. These are either in a drawer, on the worktop in a block or on magnets attached to the side wall.

The home-owner either grappled away the screwdriver from the burglar to stab him or grabbed a knife from the wall or block.

"Arrested for murder" means the police believed he must have grabbed the 'murder weapon' (be it knife or screwdriver) with prior intent to kill.

Yeah....

How would you or me feel if two burglars broke into our home?

The answer the police are looking for, so as to be able to arrest you for murder has to be something along the lines of:

"Clear-minded enough to want to grab or get a weapon for me to kill the intruder."

Moving on.....

On a brighter note, here are two 'stars' singing together on the settee:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukD8zj6ngVY

(sound on)