This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

If you could read, you would see I had been arguing for action in Zimbabwe.
Please furnish empirical evidence for your assertation that the war is not legal. Empirical, not heresay, or journalistic claptrap.

Fred - Just to clarift things for you. The war was justified, legal and very much needed. I admit there are a handful of soft, tree hugging liberals who were a little worried that the iraq soldiers were fighting under duress, and did not have access to a teddy bear during the important years of thier youth.
There is no doubt that SH was a tyrant and a major risk to world stability. There was no alternative. He had played and manipulated the UN for years, while gassing and murdering at will. He had to go WMD's or not.

Oh for the simple life of certainty and beliefs.

Do they still print Boy's Own?

CNN yesterday said it all in one word "BARBARIANS"

Hisatwittalan6

Empirical ? thats a big word for somebody who spells hear as here.

Goldsmith said it was not legal and the Army top brass didn't think it was.

Apologies for the stalker. He lives alone and his only fun in life seems to be following me around, name calling and proving how insignificant he is. Sad really, but there you go.
I'm not going to allow a grown ups discussion to be debased by this kind of irritant, so please understand if I decide not to reply to him. It is not that I have been stumped by the local primary school retard. It is because replying encourages him to display the things he does not possess, such as wit, wisdom and an IQ in positive figures.
This thread has had mature debate way beyond his comprehension and I do not wish his like to destroy it.
End.
Alan

H6, Are you becoming paranoid? Well you would be in good company with Blair and Bush.They had similar delusions and communication with their God. But it may have been started with people following them around.

No Fred. If only it were that simple.
there are a few threads to which I contribute frequently, and this idiot follows me onto each and every one to try and insult me. Unfortunately his insults show him to be a buffoon that tries the patience of all who come into contact with him.
So I have decided to ignore him and trust the old saying that to let a scab get better, you should just stop picking it.
Alan

The notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad is at the centre of fresh abuse allegations just a week after it was handed over to Iraqi authorities, with claims that inmates are being tortured by their new captors.

Staff at the jail say the Iraqi authorities have moved dozens of terrorist suspects into Abu Ghraib from the controversial Interior Ministry detention centre in Jadriyah, where United States troops last year discovered 169 prisoners who had been tortured and starved.

An independent witness who went into Abu Ghraib this week told The Sunday Telegraph that screams were coming from the cell blocks housing the terrorist suspects. Prisoners released from the jail this week spoke of routine torture of terrorism suspects and on Wednesday, 27 prisoners were hanged in the first mass execution since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime.

Conditions in the rest of the jail were grim, with an overwhelming stench of excrement, prisoners crammed into cells for all but 20 minutes a day, food rations cut to just rice and water and no air conditioning.

Some of the small number of prisoners who remained in the jail after the Americans left said they had pleaded to go with their departing captors, rather than be left in the hands of Iraqi guards.

"The Americans were better than the Iraqis. They treated us better," said Khalid Alaani, who was held on suspicion of involvement in Sunni terrorism.
LOL

Americans looking on or is it another place for rendition.

in answer to the title of the board.. the whole country voted for blair, therefore the whole country should be held to account, bit late complaining about it, had your chance to vote him out in the elections..

I tried to but not many followed my voting pattern.

Thetwittalan,

"the things he does not possess, such as wit, wisdom and an IQ in positive figures."

Thats rich coming from someone who has watched his investment in SEO drop from 30p to under 4p, without cutting is loses, thats a very unwise thing to do, he must have a IQ to match his shoe size .

Goldsmith said it was not legal and the Army top brass didn't think it was.

Thetwittalanaged6,

Does not or more likely cannot give a answer.

I rest my case.
Judge for yourselves.

Who's Really
Killing Iraqis?

The Real 2006
'Iraq Body Count'

Iraqi civilians killed this year by Islamic Terrorists
8,536

Iraqi civilians killed collaterally by Americans
60*

Why do Muslims pretend not to understand the ultimate goal of Islamic terrorists, despite the fact that the killers themselves are both vocal and specific about their motives? Why do Muslims not acknowledge the reality of over 1,000 deadly attacks each year in the name of their faith? What keeps so many from maturing to the point where they can recognize what is so plainly obvious to the rest of us?

We thought about these questions while trying to sit through al-Qaeda's latest "Invitation to Islam" video (which was released to the tune of dead silence from the "moderate" Muslim community). We have to be honest. This isn't exactly "must see TV." The morbid self-indulgence that is so ingrained in Islam comes on strong in the video and wears thin just as quickly.

Even just a few minutes worth of viewing removes all doubt that these terrorists are deeply committed to the Islamic faith. And not only is this a religion that is just as compatible with the mass slaughter of unbelievers today as it was in Muhammad's time, but it is rigidly egocentric. An example would be the way that these Muslim sociopaths speak self-righteously of Western crimes, including the European slave trade.

Yes, the West did enslave Africans over a 350 year period, but Islam has been doing this for the last 1400 - and with such viciousness that few slaves survived to reproduce in captivity. Whereas Christianity's prime role in the slave trade was to temper and eventually eradicate it, there was no corresponding abolitionary movement in the Islamic world. Abolition had to be "imposed" on Arab nations (as today's Left might put it) by the Europeans. Given this plain truth, and the fact that Muhammad was himself a slave-owner and trader, it is certainly a bizarre point on which to make a claim of moral superiority.

But this is how the Muslim world thinks. Islam is the one, true religion, so the abundance of mitigating facts and logic are automatically dismissed before they can be digested. Consider that very few Muslims alive today are aware of the historical atrocities committed in the name of Allah, from the mass slaughter of millions of Hindus over the centuries, to the Turkish genocide of Armenians. Only a tiny minority would even care

Without acknowledgement and responsibility, there is no maturity. What is left instead is the moral shallowness and knee-jerk double standards that are so ubiquitous throughout the Muslim world.

http://www.rense.com/

loads of coverage of 911 was an inside job on many stations now...looks like the rats are jumping ship and climbing on board the 911 truth movement http://www.nineeleven.co.uk

Just checked that site out
It includes links to people claiming they have "proof" of an inside job. To see the proof you have to buy DVD's etc. that they have made.
One site does include voice clips of eyewitnesses claiming they heard explosions before the collapses, and offers this as evidence of demolition. If an aeroplane crashed into any building, I would assume there would be explosions, both at the time, due to aviation fuel, and afterwards due to the fire in close proximity to Gas, air con and god knows what.
Not exactly independant as it claims. Remember that the US is full of people who have made a mint from claiming all kinds of things for JFK and Elvis.
Alan