Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

jimmy - capping rents is a short term fix that merely creates ever larger problems of various kinds into the future ....... the portuguese have experience of exactly this

Produce "social" housing at the same time!

For once I can't argue with that Fred

worth looking at what happened in portugal, lisbon being the easiest and clearest example
the theory sounds or sounded great, but the actuality was far from that

Bit like Socialism eh cyners?

no extended comment required
however, as a simple example, what do you think happens to properties if the landlord cannot make a worthwhile return on capital, and the knock-on effects?

Here is an article to bolster the little englanders.

"The Observer view on enfeebled Britain’s place in the world"

Though, it is A bit long for their concentration.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/24/the-observer-view-on-britains-place-in-world


Hey-ho Britania.

Not enough housing? Answer: too many people. When we had 50m people there was plenty of housing and plenty of jobs, easy access to doctors, enough school places etc.

Hays,

You could volunteer to leave the UK.

PS.

Happy Xmas to all.

Project fear was wrong about Brexit, global economic ranking concludes, as UK looks set to overtake France



By Kate McCann, Senior Political Correspondent
26 December 2017 • 12:01am



Project fear was wrong about Brexit, a major new economic report has concluded today, as it revealed the UK will bounce back to overtake the French economy in 2020.

The World Economic League Table revealed that Britain has recovered from an initial economic blip after the vote to leave and now looks set to maintain its position in the rankings and even improve by 2020.

But the data, compiled by the Centre for Economics and Business Research, also shows that India will leapfrog Britain and France to become the world's fifth largest economy in dollar terms by 2018 as it grows at a fasted rate.

The table tracks different economies around the world and projects forward fifteen years.

It shows that despite warnings of a "significant" effect on the UK's fortunes after the decision to back Brexit, "fears were exaggerated".




More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/26/project-fear-wrong-brexit-global-economic-ranking-concludes/

A piece from C&C today

According to a poll of the world’s central bankers, emerging-market countries are shifting their currency reserves out of euro and into the pound thanks to our economic prospects and political stability.

In the wake of Brexit, investment in the UK surged. The world’s most innovative and fast growing companies like Amazon and Google reaffirmed their investments in Britain, and Associated British Ports released huge expansion plans for its ports. Even the bank JP Morgan reversed its threat to move bankers to Europe.

So the stockmarket, economy, foreign investors and policymakers all gave a vote of confidence in Brexit.

251.

One of your old boy's opinion.

Heseltine,

Asked what would happen after five years of a Corbyn government, Heseltine, a lifelong Europhile, said: "We have survived Labour governments before. Their damage tends to be short-term and capable of rectification. Brexit is not short-term and is not easily capable of rectification. There will be those who question whether the short-term pain justifies the avoidance of the long-term disaster."
Heseltine, who was Deputy Prime Minister between 1995 and 1997, has been an outspoken critic of his party's approach to Brexit since the EU referendum in June 2016.
He also said Labour would turn against Brexit as public opinion towards the project soured, and warned the Conservatives would be "left holding the baby."
"If you look at the polls there is probably a bigger majority against Brexit than the referendum secured but that, I think, will continue to happen and it will become more and more unpopular as people realise what it’s all about.
"When that happens, the Labour party will move, and the present government will be left holding the baby.
"But then you have got to realise the present government is supported by large numbers of people as opposed to Brexit as I am. How long will they remain within the tribe and loyal to the party?" 
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Old has been

And living off the largesse of the EU too - Self centred, hardly independent hypocrite

Dear me , how low does this Freda go , quoting Heseltine for heavens sake , he must be the asbsolute pinnacle of your hatred of the Cons , says a lot about you Freda .

He is an absolute disgrace Fred, Joe Say is spot on with his post.

What a party.

Turning in on itself again.

And Labour would never do that.

They come up with a policy on Brexit yet Fred or they still flying under the radar on that one ?

I would think Labour and Libs and Greens are watching the mess that the neo-fascists, xenophobes, brexiters, neo-cons and half the con party artists are getting into.

Labour is not the government and the present TM ruling elite are not in control of themselves or negotiations.

TM's strong and stable government is delusionary like many of the little englanders and the 13th county.