Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

A worthwhile speech by John Major.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43229962




or

Former PM Sir John Major: Brexit voters made a 'historic mistake'
The ex-Conservative PM says anyone who thinks the EU will give the UK everything it wishes for is "extraordinarily naive".
22:07, UK,Monday 27 February 2017




https://news.sky.com/story/major-brexit-voters-made-a-historic-mistake-10784495

John Major speaks for John Major not for me or anyone else, who does he think he is to tell me I made a mistake, in the past 20 months I have become more convinced than ever that the decision I made to vote LEAVE was the correct one.

I have never been under the misapprehension that we could or even should get given everything that certain Brexiters are shouting for, FFS you only have to see the way they treated DC when he asked for crumbs to know our Brexit Officials were in for a fight. But I bet the EU wish they had given some leeway back then.

Major John.

A wet.

Gutless wonder.

I don't know about you but the shenanigans orchestrated by the EU and the bitter remainers only makes me more certain that we made the right choice. Of course Liarbour is playing its own game of being difficult and, as usual, making proposals that it knows won't work but help embarrass the government. I pity Mrs May but she needs to lay down the law to the EU and the tory party, and no more money to the EU until it is done and dusted.

Major John's cv

Cones Hotline

Giving our sovereignty away and hmping Edwina.

Plus presiding over a 157 seat loss to the Monster Raving Loony TB.

Am I being to harsh?

All we need now is Cammy to start moaning.

Did anyone else see Barny almost lose it today when taking a question from the BBC reporter asking him if they were deliberately trying to provoke the UK ?

Why would Barnier need to provoke the UK, Dilbert, when the UK do a good job of provoking themselves?

:o)

Carry on Hils and we'll send Fred to live next door to you when we leave :-)

I thought Barny was going to explode when she asked him the question , hit a nerve I think and he had probably been told the same by his own advisors.

Dil,

Mon voisin? Merde! I already worry that I might have seen Fred on Serignan naturist beach last summer.

:o)

The horror, the horror ..

Nigel Farage is on QT tonight.

It will be very interesting to listen to what he has to say about the Ireland/Northern Ireland border problem and his comments on:

a. What the EU want and the fact that
b. No British Prime Minister will ever let them it

IMHO, sensible comments/solutions to this problem are highly likely to come from both Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees-Mogg, both of whom actually sing from the same Brexit hymn sheet.

You thinking of buying one of Nige's used vans, Doc?

:o)

Both and low-grade con artists.

Brexit seems to be getting more and more like a little englanders looking down the barrels of their own shotguns and blaming somebody else for pulling the trigger.

Perhaps they can sign up for Trump.

Forgot, they don't need to.

They have Boris for leader.

How's about Itexit?

"There is a crooked woman, who would walk a crooked mile.
To find a crooked sixpence upon any crooked stile.
She would buy a crooked cat, to catch a crooked mouse,
So they all could live together in a very crooked house."

corbyn has stayed firm on his own beliefs on brexit throughout ..... and even now of course ...... really????

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FRED - in your opinion, what do you think corbyn would do or would have done to deliver what the country voted for, albeit not by a massive margin, that would have been so different from what has happened so far?

what magic wand does corbyn have, that would enable the break for brussels that was voted for by the majority, but still maintain free trade et al?

Manuel.

I don't know.

But from the little I know or witnessed of Corbyn I think he tries to be honest and also believes in democracy and hasn’t forgotten what it means and would bend to the view of the majority even if he would try to sway it in the way he thinks is “right”.

I think he would have a more collegiate cabinet than the one T May "rules" over and would look for a pragmatic solution which would be “beneficial” for the majority of the UK.
I think probably his approach to "Brussels" would be more civil and less demanding and certainly less provocative than the present government’s approach.

The present approach of May's cohorts is often arrogant to my mind.

I think what he probably would do, is attempt to define what the acceptable goals would be and whether those expectations could be met with an agreement feasible to the "intactness" of the remaining 27.

Concentrating on the benefits to both sides rather than the demands.

He would hopefully try to consider the short and long-term economic effects of such a “deal” on the general population of the UK.

“All the information” regarding any possible agreements should be provided for the public and MPs and the Lordships and reviewed by them.

After negotiations any confirmation of the possible contracts, I think it should have an open and free vote by all MPs and House of Lords.

Then, the feasible “contract” should be placed as a referendum before the UK public
with all the “known” positives and negatives openly debated.
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Personally, I think leaving the EU would be crazy and the majority of MPS have similar opinions.

To me, it would be more sensible to stay in the Eu and modify the weaknesses or faults which occur.

Harmony is more productive than disharmony.

If you join a club you expect to pay the bills and obey the rules and to modify the latter with the general agreement of its membership.


The public is allowed to change their mind,

We have elections every 5years with the chance of doing so.

My views are that the majority of mature individuals review their thoughts, ideas, "beliefs" and action many times during their lives.

The above is applicable to democracy.

at least you admit you don't know, and pretty much repeat versions of that all through your last post

we all know that you were strongly against leaving eu, and there's nothing wrong with that - my own vote was marginal until the very last minute, but ultimately chose the other option

i do not think we should have another referendum and i doubt i shall change that view

whatever is battered out, and i'm sure there'll be some good bits and some bad, we'll all have to learn to live with it ...... similarly if (heaven forbid) we get a hard left-wing gov't at the next election or even the one following ..... that said, on past record you'll decline to vote at all so i'm afraid it makes your views less valid, whatever you may like to believe



my real objection to 99% of your posts is that they are so partisan as to make them totally predictable and binable
your responses to any who have the temerity disagree with you are then supercilious or patronising or both