Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

certainly there will be and indeed needs to be a major reconstruction of the eurozone

whether it all collapses in a heap of dust withing the next 15 years remains to be seen, though i think it unlikely

From another board - poster SKYSHIP


Really good news in a missive today from LABOUR LEAVE:

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Tony Blair is at it again. Last week the disgraced former PM made a plea for the EU to reform immigration, so that Remain could win a second referendum on Brexit.



Putting aside that most would vote Leave regardless of immigration reform, particularly after they've seen what a nasty little bully the EU has become, the sheer audacity of the man is mind-blowing. He said,



"I find it not just disappointing but sickening that people should really be prepared to sacrifice peace in Northern Ireland on the altar of Brexit."



Yes, you heard him right. He is giving moral lectures on "peace".



What we find sickening at Labour Leave, beyond the Iraq war of course, is politicians holding democracy and the voting public in contempt. We find it sickening that our leaders can have such casual disregard for our most basic rights of all - to elect those who make our laws, and to have our electoral decisions, including referendums, respected.



Blair is now a staunch opponent of democracy, and the 'little people' whose votes he tramples on.



To puff up his anti-democratic crusade he ran an online poll, should we "leave whatever the cost", or "stay and rethink". Humiliatingly for Mr Blair, the results were 70% in favour of "leaving whatever the cost".



The papers have also had stories the last few days with sources suggesting there has been clear collusion, between very senior Labour figures and the Brussels/Barnier team. The collusion, if true, will likely include Mr Blair.



The British public are being treated appallingly here. Well-funded multi-millionaires in Britain and Europe appear to be colluding, in very crude terms, to undermine a free and fair referendum. This is nothing new for the EU, of course, but it is a first for Britain.



Either we accept this, we give up on living in a democratic state, or we continue fighting for votes to be respected - for the British people to remain the ultimate arbiter of what happens in our own country, the country that runs on our taxes and on our labour.



At Labour Leave we are clear we want the latter. We will keep fighting for British democracy to be respected but we desperately need help to do it.


http://www.labourleave.org.uk/

This is interesting:

'To puff up his anti-democratic crusade he (Tony Blair) ran an online poll, should we "leave whatever the cost", or "stay and rethink".'

I Googled Tony Blair's online Brexit poll and couldn't find anything which looked other than fake news and/or activist/extremist propoganda. I have no desire whatsoever to undermine the good name of SKYSHIP (whoever he or she may be?), so where can I find a link to the aforementioned poll and verify its accuracy?

PS.

Mike's never had an issue with posters referring to ADVFN and 'other boards' by their real name. There's no extremist censorship on £am.

hilly.

I don't know the poster who put that article up...indeed, cant find the source.

But the sentiment holds true: The shitbox labour party has been bought, prolly on Corby's last visit to Brussels.

Corby has now abandoned his bedrock supporters for the promise of €U silver pieces. With a bit of luck, he will suffer the same fate as his predecessor.

I'm not sure what you mean by Corbyn abandoning bedrock supporters, Max.

If anything, I'd say Maggie's woes are bigger than Jezza's. There were 3.2m Conservative voters in GE2017 who voted to remain, compared to 2.6m Labour voters who voted to leave. Sooner or later those differences will need to be reconciled.

Dil,

Have you got a passport?

:o)

Lol Hils , honest answer is no it's expired and I haven't got round to renewing it yet.

It was valid when I voted leave though :-)

382 days to go

Dil,

Are you sure you will make it?

We could already be under Russian control by then.


Or has that already happened?

Far better than Brussels.

It seems that the tories have done more for Putin's communist relationship than Jeremy.

I suppose the Cayman Isles are being relegated to also-rans.

Dil,

The bookies are pricing a 58% chance that Brexit WON'T happen on or before your 381 days are up. You might need to start recounting....

:o)

And the bookies got it badly wrong last time .

A very EU coup: Martin Selmayr’s astonishing power grab

How a bureaucrat seized power in nine minutes

Jean Quatremer

10 March 2018





Martin Selmayr has always dreamed of being known beyond the Brussels bubble. His wish has now been granted, albeit in not quite the way he might have hoped. It has arrived in the form of a brilliantly executed coup that has handed this 47-year-old German bureaucrat near-total control of the EU machine.

The coup began at 9.39 a.m. on 21 February, when 1,000 journalists were sent an email summoning them to a 10.30 a.m. audience with Jean-Claude Juncker. The short notice suggested urgency — and for such a meeting to be happening at all was unusual in itself. Since becoming President of the European Commission, Juncker has held hardly any press conferences.

His news was the surprise promotion of Selmayr, his Chief of Staff, to the position of Secretary-General, in charge of the Commission’s 33,000 staff. The reaction from the journalists present was astonishment. No one had been aware of a vacancy. There was no sign that the 61-year-old Alexander Italianer had been thinking of retiring. But as Juncker announced other appointments, it quickly became clear what had happened. Selmayr had taken control, and anyone who resisted him had been unceremoniously fired. Juncker had handed the keys of the European house to his favourite Eurocrat.



The rest of the sordid story is here: https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/a-very-eu-coup-martin-selmayrs-astonishing-power-grab/

The bookies thought there was a 95% chance that vote remain had won the referendum hils.

379 days to go :-)

The last few still hanging on in hope that we can stay in .

Britain can sign trade deals while in single market, Brussels rules



Oliver Wright, Policy Editor | Bruno Waterfield, Brussels


March 15 2018, 12:01am,
The Times




EU negotiators have accepted the UK’s demand that it should be able to pursue an independent trade policy while remaining inside the customs union and single market.

Publicly, the EU’s negotiating guidelines still state that Britain will not be able to implement trade deals “unless authorised to do so by the union”. Behind closed doors the position taken by Michel Barnier, the bloc’s chief negotiator, is understood to have softened significantly. The latest draft of a potential transition deal says that Britain will be able to both negotiate and sign trade deals during the period.


More if you sign up: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/britain-can-sign-trade-deals-while-in-single-market-brussels-rules-grvz62qkv

Perhaps, Barnier is in a hurry to get rid of England.