Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack.

I have to respond. Unlike Mary Whitehouse I dont have any wish for any form of censorship, other than self-censorship. However, my wife and I did to a degree censor what my children watched on Television etc. when they were very young. When they were old enough to make sensible judgments for themselves, they were could view or read whatever they wished.

Personally, I am prepared for people to wallow in whatever appeals to them, as long as what they are doing, does not impinge detrimentally on others around them. But, quite often, I have no wish to join them.

Occasionally I use crudity get a message through, and those who know me, know my spoken words can often broken up with four letter expletives. But these friends know that I am not trying to be offensive to them when I do so.

You mean you have some friends?
would you have let your children watch the video posted on here Fred, or would you have censored it?
Now bear in mind youde actually have to view it first to consider its content,
oh now youve got yourself in a sticky wicket Fred, how are you going to reply to this one?i await with great anticipation your reply

Fred
As usual, you completely missed the point. It was a comment about whether you had watched the video on Youtube.

No, I haven't viewed the video and haven't commented on it either. But I will watch with interest tonight's Panorama.

Fred: you'll watch Beeb Bowen tonight because you know you'll find enough material there to support your prejudices but you absolutely refuse to watch (or admit to watching) the vid in post 821 because you know it provides evidence that Hamas are an evil terrorist organisation that brainwashes children into hatred of Jews before they're even old enough to hold a Kalashnikov.

I expect that comes under the heading of wallowing in what appeals to you.

PS (on edit) BTW, Fred, nearly forgot -- have you watched the vid in post 23 of the Weekend Chat Thread yet?

MM, You are doing a good job of antagonizing a large number of people and making them less than sympathetic to Israel. My feeling is that you have been brainwashed.

Consider what is being preached by the extremes of Zionists to their followers. Both side have the same sort of bigots.

Bowen is an excellent reporter, though it is difficult to ignore the fact that the UK establishment is traditionally biased towards the arabs, or against israel, which is not quite the same thing.

on the other hand, the hamas kiddies-tv cartoon looks to be incontrovertible, and to say it is appalling is a gross understatement ...... if the cartoon was "faked" hamas and the rest of their crew would have lost no time in turning it to their own propaganda advantage ..... their silence is deafening and condemnatory for that reason

MM, You are doing a good job of antagonizing a large number of people

Well, Fred, you would know all about that.

Rockets still being launched into Israel by Hamas.
If Netanyahu becomes the next PM after the elections tomorrow, the kid gloves will be off.......certain people will need to take a handful of tranquillisers and a reality check......

I certainly hope that you're not suggesting anybody on this thread might be on special medication, charts Mr C.

Fred, I have just re-read your response to me which said:

MM, You are doing a good job of antagonizing a large number of people and making them less than sympathetic to Israel. My feeling is that you have been brainwashed.

I have to say that it is quite remarkable that you, of all people, have the affront to say that to me on a public forum. How very dare you.

I require a retraction and an apology.

MM

What took you so long, Dezza?

Whenever Fred takes agin folk, he uses their words and turns them around.

Until Fred made that remark, he had side-stepped the issue with regard to comments about 'that video' and his continued assertion of not having watched it, together with his carefully worded repostes to being compared with Mrs Whitehouse.
Or so he thought.

And Fred, you know very well that I choose my words - with utmost caution.

Hey Hiltops - you almost confused me there - cynic is Mr C.


At his age, he deserves a bit of respect ;)

Thanks, Choccopops.

So, Fred, what about the vid in post 821? Watched it yet? I'll keep asking and. no doubt, you'll keep evading. What an utterly dishonest sod you are.

cynic is cynic and only that, except in real life, where he is suave debonaire and charming - apart from being old, bald, bow-legged and warped-humoured!

MM. well said.
your well loved on here, but dont expect an apology from the herbert Fred who doesnt know his head from his arse,hes truly a pathetic example of a man,lets just hope his children have been brought up and learnt about life mainly from their mother and lets hope she has better morals and more realistic views than Fred and they havnt turned out as twisted as he is.
Ruth x

i was more interested in watching Master Chef last night, so what was the Jeremy Bowen prog like? ..... as i wrote previously, he is a very good journalist and reporter

cynic

It was an almost entirely non-specific documentary showing the awful effects on innocent civilians living through an aerial assault and ground based shelling. It would have been pretty much the same program had it been filmed in Baghdad or Halman a few years back.

Some heart rending footage walking through family homes that had been destroyed, pointing out where in the house innocent civilians (including women and children) had been and had perished when the building was hit. Sad footage of an evacuated little girl returning to her bombed out home and unable to find her everyday possesions in the mess. Horror stories of how young children had remained in their homes with dead relatives for two or three days unsure of what to do.

A sad indictment of war - but nothing we didnt already know, nothing new, and nothing unique or specific to Gaza.

War is awful. And this war was no better or no worse than any other.

i rather thought that would be the general run of things ..... same film; just change the location script

"And this war was no better or no worse than any other"

Not sure that I would agree with that.
I have never heard of or seen a war in which there is footage of missile strikes being aborted when the people operating the launching platform see civilians being used as human shields.
Neither has there been a war in which people have been leafleted by air drops to flee a specific area nor a war in which people have been phoned by landline and/or mobile and told to evacuate their houses as there were tunnels, munitions dumps etc beneath them.
No war is clean; no war is free of civilian casualties; no war doesn't involve accidents; no war doesn't produce horrors; no war doesn't include incidents when soldiers shouldn't have fired; no war is free of the fog of war.
Richard