Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

9164 - you should have encouraged your hero JC to have backed "remain"with much more than his pathetically limp and insincere support .... then you would almost certainly have got the result you wanted

perhaps apportion some considerable blame in that direction for the inevitable costs that have ensued, and also the unsettling uncertainty

Perhaps, someone is projecting his own obvious insincerity with his associated fleetness of changes direction.

Also, JC not as being enthusiastic, but more thoughtful about the UK's membership and the responsibility of remaining in the EU is reasonable.

He doesn't shoot his mouth off without considering the consequences of doing so.

Personally, I would have preferred him coming down more strongly for the EU and advocating remaining.

But respect his choice and do not gain from attempting to diminish him personally.


Also, I can see why some are swayed by the uprightness and persuasive utterings and appeal of Boris and Liam.

Manuel,

Is it true that May and the cabinet are opening a Fudge Making factory in No 10 Downing Street?

If so, I hope that they keep to EU regulations and standards.

JC had a responsibility to promote the wishes of the majority of his party, which he only performed as feebly as he felt he could get away with


for myself, i prevaricated and thought long and hard before casting my vote(did you actually do so?) ..... as it happens it was to leave
i'm not entirely sure, but i think i would still vote to leave

Manuel,

Personally, I have always found it difficult to submit to “collective view” when I fundamentally disagree, but accept the need for “collective responsibility”, if remaining a part of the group or body.

This still allows for further review and possible change of policy and practice in accordance with further evidence, or new information, but also allows the group or body to function “efficiently” during that period.

But, you don’t seem to have noticed, that at the moment it is a tory “Maybe” government, which is supposed to be in charge of “Brexit” negotiations not the Labour or Lib/Dems.

I would think many like JC are prepared to watch the tory party infighting itself their advancement and personal glory. The onlookers watching the participants hopefully producing the demise of the tory party.

Also, it is the tory government which has the relevant information regarding negotiations and is “fudging” them while at the same time turning No 10 and Con Central Office into PR agencies publishing more and more fake news and distortions.

Members of the cabinet seem more interesting seem more interested in promoting themselves for hoped-for future careers, than forming sensible policies for the future of the country.

They are not fit for the task, which has been bequeathed them by two of your previous icons, Cameron and Osborne, who appear to have swanned off and are financing themselves in other pastures.

I feel a little sorry for May who has picked up a poison chalice to satisfy her own ambitions.

(I sometimes wonder if her husband has side bets on her success or not.)

I think a little more honesty would go a long way, rather than boastful statements that emulate from No 10 and tory party Central Office and “Brexiters” would be helpful.

An admission that a mistake has been made pointing out the probable consequences of continuing the present ideological “Exit” policies would be acceptable.

The social consequences and standards of social responsibility will not be affordable at current levels.
The economy won’t be able to afford it.

Personal and cooperate taxes will be raised far higher than is presently imagined.

But admitting such would take more courage than the present leadership has.

Its supporters are already denying or blaming others for the mistakes, which they themselves have made over the last 10 years.

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But why are the Brexiters helping Russia with its wish for the demise of the EU, Nato?

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Hoping for more Russian dirty money and a Banana State to police itself.

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8-)

Brexit deal will condemn Tories to landslide election defeat, MPs warn






By Edward Malnick and
Anna Mikhailova, Political Correspondent
7 July 2018 • 10:00pm


Theresa May is facing a furious backlash over her plans for Brexit, after senior Tories said the scheme signed off by her Cabinet will put the Conservatives on course for an election defeat akin to John Major’s landslide loss to Tony Blair, and could split the party.

One senior government figure said Mrs May had backtracked from her professed “red lines” in the EU negotiations in a move that could lead to a “seismic moment” in which millions of voters buy into opposition party assertions that the Conservatives “do not care about ordinary people”.



More if you sign up:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/07/brexit-deal-will-condemn-tories-landslide-election-defeat-mps/

Is it true that No 10 is advertising for workers for the expansion of their new Fudge Making Factory, which has been set up by Party Central Office and carries the No 10 Emblem?

Problem is that there no prospects of long-term employment as nobody wants to buy their brand of fudge any longer.

And that includes tory voters. (former)

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Two Tweets from DD's Chief of Staff

'DD wants to honour manifesto promises to Britons. Couldn’t collude with civil servants and Remainers to undermine Brexit'

'Discussing Chequers policy with Merkel before Cabinet colleagues was bonkers. And relying on unelected civil servants with no political debt to electorate, double bonkers.'


Breaking News: Second Brexit Minister Steve Baker, has quit the Government, sources say. That leaves just one Brexit Minister Left !

With David Davis quitting, BoJo polishing turds, Maggie Dismay in disarray, and all those divisions in the Tory ranks, it's probably a good time for a second referendum.

:o)

How many days left, Dilbert?

2nd referendum........and if Brexit wins again, you want a 3rd, and then a 4th......and then Remain wins and the Brexit side demand a 5th referendum.......and then Remain wants a 6th as Brexit won the 5th.............

There is only 1, its been held, the vote was out.

And Out is the result.

End of.

Bang on - Exit now

And Mrs May - you ain't getting my vote again

She doesent care .. she answers to a higher authority.

Don't worry boys.

Theresa will soon have Trump coming to hold her hand and show her what to do.

The market seems to like the resignations.

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