Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

A revolution is overdue, we might see the rise of a dictator that takes power to eradicate the corruption is the whole system.

We are almost living in a Police state as it is.

"Once again the chaos and confusion at the heart of Brexit is exposed. Mrs May's scheme could not command a majority in the House of Commons two weeks ago when she allowed the Brextremists to mutilate it.

"Now we know that hardly mattered because it was not acceptable to the EU in any case."

"The white paper is dead. It has expired. It has ceased to be. It has gone to join the choir invisible."

Following the latest round of talks, EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier blew a hole in Mrs May's post-Brexit plan to collect tariffs on behalf of the bloc at the UK border.

Known as a "facilitated customs arrangement", the prime minister's proposal formed a key plank of her plan for leaving the EU, which she agreed with her cabinet at Chequers earlier this month and subsequently set out in a white paper.

The Chequers strategy led Mrs May to suffer two high-profile cabinet resignations - Boris Johnson and David Davis - as well as infuriating her Brexiteer MPs.

Delivering a further blow to her plan, Mr Barnier used a joint news conference with Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab to voice resistance to the customs element of Mrs May's strategy.

EU negotiator @MichelBarnier has declared Brussels won't "delegate" the application of its customs policy to a non-member, delivering a significant blow to the PM's Brexit plans

Taking a dig at the Leave campaign's "taking back control" mantra from the 2016 EU referendum, Mr Barnier warned: "Maintaining control of our money, law and borders also applies to the EU's customs policy."

The European Commission official added: "The EU cannot - and will not - delegate the application of its customs policy and rules, VAT and excise duty collection to a non-member, who would not be subject to the EU's governance structures."

Calling on the UK to "respect this principle", Mr Barnier also reiterated that the EU remains open to agreeing a post-Brexit customs union with the UK, despite the prime minister having consistently ruled this out.

He added: "Any customs arrangement will also have to be workable and must protect EU and national revenue, without imposing additional costs on businesses and customs authorities."

Mr Barnier was also pessimistic about the UK's proposals on a backstop agreement for the Irish border, which seeks to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland in the event the issue is not solved by the future EU-UK trading relationship.

The UK has rejected the EU's own backstop plan, warning it risks dividing Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK.

But, despite the UK's insistence a backstop agreement must be on a UK-wide basis, Mr Barnier declared Brussels has "doubts that this can be done without putting at risk the integrity of our customs union, our common commercial policy, our regulatory policy, and our fiscal revenue".

He revealed "open and frank" talks had been held between the EU and UK on the issue, with the UK promising to return with "concrete proposals" on how to address Brussels' concerns.

The EU official also stressed his belief the UK's £39bn divorce bill had been "agreed for good" last December, despite Mr Raab's efforts to make the cash conditional on a future EU-UK trade agreement.

Tee hee hee.

Robbed from across the road, h/t to xy for spotting it.

xxxxxy
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A Reminder about th Why Thing.

Why we voted leave
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: MARCH 23, 2018
On 23rd June 2016 17.4 million voters told Parliament we should leave the EU.
Leave voters voted to take back control.
We voted to take back control of our money, our laws and our borders.
We voted to be a sovereign people again.
The overarching aim is to restore our freedoms
To become self governing as we used to be
We wish our Parliaments to frame our laws
To levy and spend out taxes
To make our borders safe
To award the precious gift of citizenship to those we choose to invite
We did not vote in the belief that future Parliaments will always be wise
Nor that they will always get it right
We voted to restore powers to Parliament because it is our Parliament
We can lobby and influence it
We can dismiss it and replace the MPs when they no longer please.
I find it surprising that some find it difficult to understand this overriding wish
For it is based on our long standing pursuit of freedom
It springs from our history
The history of the UK is the story of the long march of every man and every woman to the vote
The story of asserting the rule of law against all, however mighty.
We prize the gift of freedom under the law for all on an equal basis
We share an aversion to slavery
A dislike of military rule
A resistance to arbitrary government
A rejection of the patronising errors of elites
A distaste for overmighty bureaucracies cramping our freedoms
A belief that we should be free to do whatever we please unless the laws prevents it
The signposts to democracy run through Magna Carta to the first Parliaments
From the 1660 settlement to the Glorious Revolution
From the Great Reform Act to the triumph of the suffragettes
We carelessly lost some of these freedoms,
casting away much of the power of our vote and voice
by passing powers to the European Union
We allowed the EU to impose laws we did not want
To levy taxes we disagreed with
And to spend our money as they saw fit
Brexit is designed to recall those lost powers

P9257
The EU official also stressed his belief the UK's £39bn divorce bill had been "agreed for good" last December


So what happened to ''nothing is agreed until everything is agreed''?

For the majority, change the EU to the London Parliament and governing cabal and clingers on and the rules stay the same for the punters.

The effects that so-called "brexit" will have for the majority that new laws, rules and regulations will be drawn up in the backrooms of the city in collusion with "moneyed" groups in backrooms of London but living abroad.

The wasted money will be going into the likes of Redwood and Mogg.

It the "regulations" are bad within the EU. modify or change them, don't tear up the whole rule book.

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The costs of the "exit" and the "holidays abroad" on "preparations" for it are being picked up by the general public, not the individuals seeking or gaining benefits from such.

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The majority don't know or care who made the "rules" or "laws" as long as they are fair and implemented "honestly".

Jaw-jaw, not war-war is what is needed.

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We are heading for a banana republic run by a social elite relying on inherited hand-downs to bolster their positions.

End of the day, so many other countries in the EU will leave in the years ahead............if they see the UK can exit easily.

It is not in the EU's future interest to make it easy to leave.

They will do everything they can to make the UK stay in - and make it very difficult to leave.

It exposes the weakness of the EU, that it is totally corrupt and that we are better out of this corrupt pile of shite.

No deal - WTO rules - no divorce payment - F%#$ the EU.

Well said Pros , I've never seen a problem with the no deal option if the EU want to play silly buggers.

And if your in need of a food parcel Fred after Brexit Fred I'm sure all your friends on here would have a whip round for you.

244 days to go.

Dil, I think in the end there will be a very simple trade deal which means the UK pays the divorce payment and in return gets a simple trade deal with no strings attached.

However the EU is going to push it to the brink to try to stop Brexit........the coming months are important, the push for a 2nd vote will be sponsored by all and sundry from outside the UK - trying to stop Brexit.

But if the UK holds firm to the end, then a simple trade deal will happen - which is what Leave wants.

Not going to be easy to get there - lots of non-UK funds are pouring in now to support another vote and derail Brexit.

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Sums it up!

Mary Berry for PM!

This woman is a genius. We want Brexit to be a "piece of cake" and this is surely the lady to do it for us.

83 yr old Mary Berry playing the drums with Rick Astley at the Dorset Festival on the 27th July

We are being sold down Brexit river

WELL, the Governor of the Bank of England has said it and about time too. Mark Carney has made plain to a committee of MPs that the damage to the other 27 nations of the EU if our Brexit negotiations finally crash in ruins will be infinitely worse than the damage to Britain.



By Frederick Forsyth

PUBLISHED: 07:15, Fri, Jul 27, 2018 | UPDATED: 07:43, Fri, Jul 27, 2018

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/frederick-forsyth/994992/brexit-no-deal-mark-carney-eu-members-worse-off-than-britain

At the core of this danger is neither the efforts of the traitorous fifth column at the heart of the British establishment which has been working assiduously for two years to deny their choice to a clear majority of the British, nor the bumbling incompetence of the team around Theresa May (at her own appointment, by the way).

It is the adamantine attitude of EU team chief Michel Barnier who may well not even grant the terms of the Chequers plan, scuttle though it is.

The Eurocrats care not a fig for the ensuing damage of their arrogance. Euro-manufacturers, businessmen, craftsmen and workers may be made redundant or bankrupt.

They don't care, cushioned as they are by massive salaries, luxury suites and limos at the door. All that will go on - for them.

Surely we should use the long, hot summer to out-manoeuvre them.

Send a skilled emissary to talk to every premier of the 27 and explain, with proof, the nature of the damage that faces them all if we, with our huge purchasing power, are forced to turn away from Europe and shop elsewhere.

I have said before and it is daily confirmed by our own commercial giants, that the world is avid to increase trade with us - and that can only diminish EU trade.

For far too long the snowflakes and saboteurs at the top of our society have been downplaying our huge strengths in world terms - our trillions in invested assets, ingenuity, engineering skills, inventiveness and financial expertise.


We have absolutely no need to go cap in hand to anyone on this earth.

We have the capacity to trade freely with five continents, not one, and the other four are gagging for us to turn towards them as, 40 years ago, we turned away from them on the grounds - now plainly mistaken - that future prosperity for our people lay in absorption into the EU.

Back then no one told us of the subordination which would become an inseparable part of that absorption and which we voted to end two years ago.

If anyone suggested that he or she disagreed with the outcome of a general election that impudent fool would be laughed out of court.


Yet a national referendum is a general election in all but two particulars. One still question and one constituency is a referendum.

Well, the question was put and we answered it.

So how come a fifth column of politicians and civil servants, wholly living off our taxes, dependent for every mouthful of food and the roofs over their heads on our money, are allowed to work night and day to deprive us of what we want?

Anyone is entitled to work for what they hold to be desirable provided they pay their own way in the world. But bureaucrats are our servants, yet thousands daily work against us and our chosen future.


The reason Theresa May will never be forgiven is that she has very clearly preferred to surround herself with this fifth column and allowed them to create a template that, if activated, would see us on our hands and knees for ever.

Talk of "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" is pointless. All we ever wanted was a fair Brexit - a formula for British-EU cohabitation based on common sense, mutual benefit and goodwill.

All three qualities are present on this island but constantly undermined by a powerful minority in high office.

Where, oh where, is the Churchill or Thatcher with the guts to come to office and start the cleansing of the Augean stables that now constitute the way our land is run?

The man required to do this job is patiently waiting in the wings and just biding his time to be given a chance. Meanwhile, his supporters have been amassing a £750,000 war chest to help him gain his eventually needed additional support.

First, we have to kick our present lady PM into the long grass and then he will politely appear.

And if you don't do it soon, he may change direction and go on to become the next Pope.

Burnley could do with a fit keeper.

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Media ramping it up to 11.

Let the public have their say.

That's democracy.

https://news.sky.com/story/public-opinion-is-shifting-sharply-against-brexit-sky-data-poll-reveals-11453220

Especially when represented by May's crowd who don't even know the details of the own family. Leave alone the country.

Jeremy Hunt tells Chinese hosts his wife is Japanese - when she's actually from China



https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-hunt-tells-chinese-hosts-his-wife-is-japanese-when-shes-actually-from-china-11454017

What a shower of a tory government.

i received a very good and interesting little video from a buddy of mine put out by Libertarian TV and narrated by Vladimir Boukovsky

it makes interesting listening even if you don't subscribe to his views - and of course do not have blocked mind and ears

Fred1new [Send an email to Fred1new] [View Fred1new's profile] - 30 Jul 2018 11:43 - 9270 of 9271

Let the public have their say.

That's democracy.

https://news.sky.com/story/public-opinion-is-shifting-sharply-against-brexit-sky-data-poll-reveals-11453220
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Give me the media for 6 months and I'll get over 80% leave, if paid enough I'll make it over 80% remain.

People had their say, democracy gave us leave - that is decided. Given we chose to depart, the question is:

The UK is leaving the EU -

Leave accepting the deal

Leave with no deal


Cheers,
KidA

The UK votes out "crooked" governments every 5years.

Times up for this tory government and reversal of its policies.

Another referendum is more and more likely.