Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

a mcvities of fruitcakes? ..... a cadbury of nutcases?

Illuminati? Nonsense conspiracy posts that use the word GOYIM in uppercase letters? An Ashleigh of James or a fleet of Maestros.

I believe that the Guru of the Enlightened , David Icke , held a sold out (!) 10 hour seminar recently in London .
So i guess the conspiracy theories will be running wild this summer :)

The latest , which is quite hard to even write , is something along the lines of the moon being a base for shape shifting lizards who really control the Earth . Apparently the base is underground so it was only when the US set off explosions on the surface that the resonance revealed this dastardly secret .

Its all quite amusing until you realise there are people who actually believe this and there a quite a few of em ...... (quickly locks front door ! )

Snowman - you really need to keep up to date - the lizards moved on after the giant ants colonised the moon and made life uncomfortable !

Seems as sensible as video news from Israel on their humanitarian standards.

The governments of the European Union, Israel, Japan, Canada, and the United States
classify Hamas as a terrorist organization.

Its officials were ousted from positions in the Palestinian National Authority government

Hamas's 1988 charter calls for the replacement of Israel and the Palestinian Territories with an Islamic Palestinian state.

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This an interesting EU Working paper from 2008, which details the consequences of branding Hamas as a terrorist group. It is very prophetic and shows that the isolation of Hamas has been counter productive in the extreme. It is worth reading in its entirety.

http://www.cer.org.uk/pdf/wp_820.pdf

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Given the current impasse the quartet (the EU, US, Russia and the UN) and other key players should consider a different approach towards Hamas. The policy of isolation is not working. Some EU member-states hoped that isolation would encourage Hamas to change its stance towards Israel. Israel, the US, and many other countries hoped that the boycott would provoke the collapse of Hamas as a result of economic pressure. But despite two years of harsh sanctions Hamas is still strong and in control of Gaza. Nor has it made any concessions; on the contrary, since the boycott the hardliners in the movement have gained in influence. Another unintended effect is that Iran a key supplier of money and allegedly arms to Hamas has strengthened its influence in Gaza. Al-Qaeda, too, is making overtures and offering assistance (although Hamas has so far refused its support).

Instead, Israel, the EU and the US should try to engage Hamas. Hamas is an unattractive partner, but the potential benefits of ending its isolation outweigh the risks. Hamas can help stabilise the conflict. In addition, if it were recognised as a legitimate political force, in the longer term the group might evolve from a resistance movement into a political party, which ultimately would strengthen the foundations for a lasting peace.

At end of the day, Isreal still occupy the little land palestinians have (gaza and west bank), and keep taking more and more to building settlements. If they want peace, then this action shows the exact opposite. You can talk about Hamas as a terrorist organisations, the rocket attacks and so on, but this one action blows all of isreals justification out of the water, and makes their talk of peace a joke. There will be no peace as Isreal wants to keep all the extra land it continues to nab - the longer this conflict goes on, the more they will take, then demand in any peace agreement. Best case scenario for the palestinians is to let them have it all and become isreali arabs - never know, the may get a fair vote in 50 years time and get an arab government in. IMAO.

Snowman,
These youngsters dont know their history.
As Slartibastfast discovered, we are an experiment of the mice.

Israel must send Turkey a clear message that if Turkish warships are sent to accompany the next flotilla trying to break the embargo on Gaza, these will be considered acts of war by Israel , Uzi Dayan, former deputy Chief of General Staff, told Army Radio Monday morning.

"If the Turkish prime minister joins such a flotilla, Dayan said, we should make clear beforehand this would be an act of war, and we would not try to take over the ship he was on, but would sink it.

If Israel doesn't make this clear beforehand, the Turks will grow increasingly self-assured, and we may indeed find ourselves facing such a scenario, which could have been averted.

Uzi Dayan attacked a letter sent by Navy veterans calling for a commission of inquiry as confused and irresponsible,

Turkey's Cihan news agency said Monday that the Turkey is considering canceling all agreements signed with Israel in the wake of its deadly attack on the Freedom Flotilla aid convoy.

Deputy head of the ruling justice and development party in Turkey Omer Celik confirmed this information in a televised interview saying that his country will revoke all agreements, including the military ones, with Israel.

Israel, in this regard, expressed serious concern, after the deterioration of its relations with Ankara, about losing its Turkey-based intelligence station, which is considered a linchpin in monitoring Iran.

Even nuttier than the Pope!

Former Israeli Chief Rabbi Eliyahu dead at 81

JERUSALEM A former chief rabbi who encouraged Israelis to oppose removal of settlements and blamed Reform Jewry for the Holocaust died Monday, a Jerusalem hospital said. He was 81.

Mordechai Eliyahu served as chief rabbi for Israel's Jews of Mideast origin from 1983-1993.

He was born in the Old City of Jerusalem in 1929, the son of a famed Jewish sage and mystic of Iraqi descent.

After his term as chief rabbi, he became a lightning rod for extreme nationalist Israeli elements, especially religiously motivated settlers in the West Bank and Gaza.

He led prayers at a mass rally in Jerusalem in 2004 against Israel's intention to pull out of Gaza and some settlements in the West Bank. The plan was implemented despite settler resistance in 2005.

Eliyahu outraged many with his declarations, some linking current events with historical occurrences.

In 2004, he stated that the tsunami that killed 230,000 people in Asia and Africa was divine retribution for their governments' support for concessions to the Palestinians.

In 2006, a group of Reform Jews in Israel, among them some Holocaust survivors, filed a complaint with police after Eliyahu said in a radio interview that the Nazi murder of 6 million European Jews was punishment for changes to Jewish ritual initiated by the Reform movement, which first gained prominence in Germany.

Eliyahu suffered from failing health over the past year.

He is survived by his wife and four children, one of whom, Shmuel, is chief rabbi of the northern Israeli town of Safed. He was to be buried late Monday in Jerusalem.

A former Chief Rabbi of Israel, Elyahu was a chief mentor for the Gush Emunim settler movement.

However, Elyahu was especially notorious for advocating ethnic cleansing and murdering non-combatants including children if the crimes are politically expedient for Israel.

According to Israeli writer Yair Sheleg, Kook taught that the difference between the Jewish soul and the souls of all non-Jews, no matter what their rank and level of understanding, is bigger and deeper than the difference between the human soul and the animal soul.


In 2007, he urged the Israeli army to employ Nazi methods against Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.

If they dont stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand. And if they dont stop after we kill 1000, then we must kill 10,000. If they dont stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop, Shumel Elyhau, the rabbis son, quoted his father as saying.


"All civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam attacks on Sderot", former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Israels Prime Minister. Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.

Cut and pastes you are unlikely to see from Haystack....


Photo by: Associated Press Turkeys support of Hamas worries PA
By KHALED ABU TOAMEH
06/08/2010 01:38


We want blockade lifted, but Hamas must end Gaza coup.
Talkbacks (24) The Palestinian Authority is concerned about Turkeys increased support for Hamas, a PA official in Ramallah said on Monday.

The official said that the PA leadership was unhappy with Turkeys policy toward Hamas, especially with regard to pressure to lift the blockade on the Gaza Strip unconditionally.

Turkeys policy is emboldening Hamas and undermining the Palestinian Authority, the official told The Jerusalem Post.

Of course we want to see the blockade lifted, but Hamas must also end its coup in the Gaza Strip and accept an Egyptian proposal for achieving reconciliation with Fatah.

PA concerned about opening of the Rafah border

The PA is also concerned the reopening of the Rafah border crossing to Sinai would enable Hamas to tighten its grip on the Strip.

We wish to remind the Turkish and Egyptian governments that the border crossing was controlled by the Palestinian Authority before Hamas launched its coup in 2007, the official added. If the Rafah border crossing is going to be reopened, that should be done in coordination with us and not with Hamas.

Azzam al-Ahmed, a top Fatah official in the West Bank, was quoted over the weekend as saying that he was opposed to the lifting of the blockade on the Gaza Strip until Hamas agreed to end the dispute with his faction.

Ahmed stressed that there was no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip because the PA government was sending aid through Israeli border crossings.

Abbas visits Erdogan in Istanbul

PA President Mahmoud Abbas, who visited Istanbul on Monday, was said to have relayed to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan his concern over the rapprochement between Turkey and Hamas, the official revealed.

Erdogan, according to the official, offered to mediate between the PA and Hamas -an offer that Abbas accepted.

Erdogan declared that ending the power struggle between the rival Palestinian parties is a must. He claimed that Hamas had also welcomed a mediation role for Turkey.

Erdogan was speaking to reporters during a joint press conference with Syrian President Bashar Assad, who was also visiting Turkey.

Divisions should not continue under the current circumstances, Erdogan said. I believe we can make peace between Hamas and Fatah.

Fatah and Hamas do hate each other and Fatah's power has diminished due to the strength of Hams's support.

The phrase you quote "coup in the Gaza Strip" is incorrect. Hamas was elected in Gaza. Of course the PA is worried about Turkey getting closer to Hamas as it damages the PA's talks attempts. I do agree with most of the post above, but the Palestinian Authority does not speak for Gaza anymore and is toothless these days as is Fatah. There will be no peace deals between Fatah and Hamas. It is clearly not in Hamas's interests to be talking with Fatah. In fact the situation for Fatah is even worse. With Fatah becoming increasingly weak, Hamas is attampting to increase its influence in the West Bank. It already has a lot of support there. The lack of progress of negociations by the PA and Fatah is creating a power vacuum in the West Bank. Hamas are trying to fill that.

The current problems that Israel is facing over the blockade and the flotillas is nothing compared to what is coming over the next few months. This is just the beginning of a massive offensive by Hamas. Expect to see some interesting tactics used by them.

it's very strange, but i reckon 95% of the posts on this thread have diarrhea ... must be something in the water

Dunno if this a hoax:

http://www.advfn.com/cmn/fbb/thread.php3?id=22642641


Sorry if this has allready been seen here. I just received by Email.

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yikyak,

Very sad but true I'm afraid. He will be sorely missed by his friends.

I'd love to know what some of these insane f*ckers that post on this thread actually trade or what their market strategies are, after all, this at least has the vermeer of a financial website. I wonder if Diana and Elvis will make an appearance. Then again Robert Maxwell or Lord Lucan...
Night night AJ, sleep well

Cynic,

If the thread offends you so much, why not be brave and not read it.

Promise not to mention you, if you do so.

08/06/2010 - 05:40 PM

STOCKHOLM, (PIC)-- The organization of "Jews for a Just Peace in the Middle East" in Europe and "Jews for Justice for Palestinians" in Britain have announced their intention to send a ship loaded with aid to the Gaza Strip in an effort to break the Israeli siege imposed on the enclave. The aid vessel is expected to set sail in the second half of July.

According to organizers, the ship will carry gifts from schoolchildren in Europe, in addition to medicine and medical equipment. The ship will also be covered by television stations worldwide. Organizers said that the main objective of the ship is to "break the siege on Gaza. This collective punishment on the civilian population is unlawful."

Lutz Edith, one of the organizers of the ship, said, "Israel has shown the world its brutality and heinousness when it attacked the Freedom Flotilla."

Another aid convoy from Algeria will set out on Wednesday towards Gaza, after the Guidance and Reform Society, which organized the convoy, obtained a license from the Egyptian embassy in Algeria, which also approved of granting visas to the delegation accompanying the convoy, after a wait of nearly one week.

The embassy delayed in granting the license requiring the organizers to provide correspondence from the Algerian Foreign Ministry. Organizers made it clear to the embassy that their work is independent of official authorities, and after a long wait, the embassy finally approved. The delegation, which consists of 13 members, including journalists, businessmen and politicians, will travel tomorrow after following procedures for obtaining a license to cross to Gaza when it reaches Cairo.