Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

As I said before referendum:-

http://news.sky.com/story/turkeys-eu-membership-talks-a-fiction-10522713

They might be fiction and the EU might not have any intention of letting
Turkey join, but they have being going through the motions with 'phoney'
talks with Turkey, who will not be amused that they have been duped.

And if the visa free travel through europe goes belly up then Turkey will
renaged on the immigration deal.

I'm not yet convinced about Philip Hammond. Another grey man. He has too many private business interests for my liking. Lets see if he gives the necessary time and talent to what is possibly the most challenging cabinet position, bar that of the PM.

Haven't the Brexiters done a good job?

So there's NO justification now to take in all these migrants you seem to treasure , ( I say treasure but are they just a reason for you to use day in day out for a moan ) I suspect maybe yes .

We should shut the door right now and introduce a new system . I am all for stopping the East European inflow .
Also we must quickly get a grip on the illegals who are here and continue to pour in.

watched quite an interesting prog last evening on late 70s and early 80s
inter alia, the analysis of labour's disastrous lurch to the left, engineered by militant tendency and the like, was almost a mirror of today
perhaps as well that corbyn does not have a quarter of the charisma (or intelligence?) of wedgwood benn

Oh dear...


https://twitter.com/britainelects?lang=en-gb

It'll be hard enough to limit legal migrants - but what about the million-plus ILLEGAL ones?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3722733/It-ll-hard-limit-legal-migrants-million-plus-ILLEGAL-ones.html

Labour has its own honours problems.

Shami Chakrabarti did a whitewash job in her 'independent' report on Labour's anti-Semitism. Corbyn responded with a nomination to the Lords. Corbynistas were claiming that suggestions that Shami was being given a peerage were smears against Labour. That was until last night when it was confirmed. Now they say she deserved it anyway.

Sums up tory foresight.

I 'm amazed the Tories haven't called you up and got you on board as a consultant Freda , your wisdom and foresight are just what they need at the moment a floating voter type , sorry a floating person type .

The tories are too fractionated and egocentric to be helped.

They have been going to the dogs for years.

Back to the good old days.

Where does that leave Labour and the Limp dems then , they are flying aren't they .

The streaming lark is a good idea tho, you cant teach the same level to all.

Vicky,

At the moment Labour would appear to be in a mess.

Interesting to watch and see if Labour they will stop their schoolboy behaviour and sort out their future policies, which would be acceptable to the majority of voters.

Mind they still have time to do so and god knows what the mess the UK will be in after another 4years of tory failures and misrule. (Or how much has been purloined by them.)

A bit like in the con party, at the present time, the leadership of labour seem more interested in their own internecine behaviour than the future direction of the country as a whole.

Libs, unfortunately paying the penalties of trusting the con party and help in forming a coalition government. But, perhaps they have the inner strength from ground level organisation to produce acceptable policies for its future.


Interesting to watch.

Not a word I would use , interesting .

At the moment Labour would appear to be in a mess.

so when in fred's eyes would it be glaringly obvious???

When you are looking down from Mount Olympus, many things are of interest.