goldfinger
- 09 Jun 2005 12:25
Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).
Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.
cheers GF.
Fred1new
- 02 May 2015 09:00
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Chris Carson
- 02 May 2015 09:21
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The choice this election gets clearer by the day
Telegraph View: Labour's flip-floppping over deals with the SNP give us a taste of the constitutional and economic chaos to come
By Telegraph View7:30AM BST 02 May 2015Comments35 Comments
Ed Miliband appears to be deluded. During this week’s Question Time confrontation between party leaders and the straight-talking people of Yorkshire, the Labour leader was asked if he would ever do a deal with the SNP. The answer was no: “I am not going to have a Labour government if it means deals or coalitions with the Scottish National Party.” The audience was incredulous, and for good reason. The promise was absurd. Within 24 hours, it had crumbled to dust.
The polls are tight and Labour is facing electoral wipe-out in Scotland. Whatever the results next Thursday, it is likely that Mr Miliband’s only chance of entering Number 10 will be with the support of the SNP. This is a prediction shared by the Nationalists. Nicola Sturgeon says that she expects to be part of a grand “anti-Tory” coalition whereby, “[the SNP is] supporting a Labour minority government on an issue-by-issue basis”.
Within hours of Mr Miliband apparently ruling such a deal out, he and his front bench appeared to row back from that “resolute” position. The Labour leader said that it was indeed up to the House of Commons to decide how it wants to vote on a future Queen’s Speech, while Andy Burnham, Hilary Benn and Caroline Flint all conceded that Labour whips might well talk to SNP whips about items of legislation.
The voters are not fools. They know that any such negotiations between Labour and the SNP will amount to a deal and will involve compromise. Again, this is not mere guesswork: the SNP has said that it expects exactly that to happen. Leaked Nationalist documents seen by The Daily Telegraph indicate that the party intends to prop up Labour in government as part of an effort to move Britain to the far Left.
Be in no doubt that the SNP will fight tooth and claw to get what it wants. Our profile of Ms Sturgeon reveals a determined lady reminiscent of Margaret Thatcher. She even received voice coaching from Sean Connery to improve her performance. Her ideology, however, is far from Thatcherite: Ms Sturgeon is said to believe that Labour lost its way when it replaced Michael Foot with Neil Kinnock. Her socialism is reflected in the SNP’s list of post-election demands: no austerity, greater spending, more powers for Holyrood and the abolition of the Trident nuclear deterrent. Yes, even Britain’s national defence is on the table. Of course, the ultimate goal of the SNP is not just to turn Britain to the Left but to extract Scotland from the Union. This week, Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP, said that his party would push for another independence referendum as early as 2016.
It is clear that Labour will have to work with the SNP post-election and that the consequences could be enormous. How, then, could Mr Miliband assert the obvious untruth that he won’t work with Ms Sturgeon – and with a straight face? It is possible that he has a talent for economising with the actualité. But it could also be that he is genuinely deluded.
Consider his attempts during the Question Time encounter to assert that Labour did not overspend when it was last in government. The idea was ridiculous. David Cameron had, in his own section of the programme, produced the infamous letter by Liam Byrne that warned his successor at the Treasury that there was no money left. So Mr Miliband was confronted with physical evidence that Labour did indeed overspend – yet he still denied it. At times, Mr Miliband is a veritable Walter Mitty.
Whatever Mr Miliband’s schemes or fantasies might be, the choice between Labour and the Conservatives becomes clearer by the day. Mr Miliband is gambling on a minority administration that will rely upon votes from the Nationalists to survive, which could well lead to a mix of constitutional chaos and reckless spending. Mr Cameron, by contrast, wishes to form a government that will stick to a rational economic programme and hold the country together through what could be a rough period. Within a week, we shall know what the British people want. Judging by the responses of that Yorkshire audience, Mr Cameron’s message is cutting through.
cynic
- 02 May 2015 09:42
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it has been patently obvious for weeks that snp and labour would have an informal arrangement .... this allowed EM to say that there would be no coalition or similar with snp without quite telling a barefaced lie ..... i can't believe his dissimulation was believed by any, for we are all abundantly conscious of the meaning of "politico-speak"
needless to say, labour are far from being the sole culprit .... they're all as bad as each other
Fred1new
- 02 May 2015 09:58
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Announcement
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Unknown woman in London having a baby!
I don't mean Manuel!
He's known!
MaxK
- 02 May 2015 10:26
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Stan
- 02 May 2015 11:07
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Right Wingers getting more and more hysterical.
Haystack
- 02 May 2015 11:08
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Left wingers imploding!
required field
- 02 May 2015 11:10
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Can't help but laugh at the above pictures.....(:)).....
required field
- 02 May 2015 11:11
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Duchess in Labour....Cameron's excited.....
required field
- 02 May 2015 11:13
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Still laughing at the above pictures......(:)).....
Haystack
- 02 May 2015 11:34
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Politics will get knocked off the headlines for a bit as a result of the new Royal baby girl.
Fred1new
- 02 May 2015 11:43
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Exec,
Hope you have them same luck when you deliver.
cynic
- 02 May 2015 11:57
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it is indeed a very witty and funny cartoon, unlike those from the socialist worker or from wherever free culls his, which rarely have any humour attaching
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you don't really think the consultants would allow their WHOLE w/e to be wrecked do you?
Haystack
- 02 May 2015 13:12
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Duke of Edinburgh's mother, Princess Alice died 1969
Fred1new
- 02 May 2015 13:21
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Max,
I think would prefer to cuddle up with Nicola for the weekend rather than your page 3 pin up:
or Haze's mother!
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Guess which one reminds me of Ken Dodd?
Stan
- 02 May 2015 16:26
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The first slapper is standing in Shrewsbury and was the one who was useless on QT weeks ago... she's going to get a right kicking.
Haystack
- 02 May 2015 16:44
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https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/05/02/leader-most-seats-has-biggest-mandate/
Voters: leader from party with most seats has bigger mandate
Voters tend to believe the leader of the largest party has the better claim to be Prime Minister, not the leader of whichever group of parties can command a majority
The public may be headed for disappointment if the leader of the largest party on May 8th fails to form a government – they think that leader has the better claim to become PM.