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Northern Rock (NRK)     

irlee57 - 13 Aug 2007 09:03

any comments, thoughts, on this stock.

Big Al - 19 Oct 2007 16:49 - 761 of 1029

partridge - I agree entirely re the credit crunch. NRK are probably no different than the dumb folk in this country who have borrowed 4 or 5+ times their earnings to buy a property.

I'm not sure how much in cloud cuckoo land they were in comparison to all the other banks, however. They may have been the worst exposed so far, but I'm not sure the other banks now know how much liability they themselves have.

I guess my point is that NRK is not alone and the powers that be will not let the enitre banking system collapse. Indeed, they will not necessarily let NRK go to the wall simply to make an example of them. As we've seen this last month or so, the knock-on effect to confidence would probably be massive. It won't happen IMO.

Anyone who thinks NRK is worth nil , like BFC, is simply pissing in the wind IMO.

Big Al - 19 Oct 2007 16:49 - 762 of 1029

skinny - yep, not often that happens.

However, it has been known. ;-))))))))

hewittalan6 - 19 Oct 2007 16:50 - 763 of 1029

Partridge, you little tinker.
You owe Big Al an apology, methinks.
Big Al. I can recommend an extremely good lawyer for that slur on your character.

;-)
Alan

cynic - 19 Oct 2007 17:00 - 764 of 1029

NRK undoubtedly has a value, as does/did Eurotunnel ...... however, in my very arrogant opinion(!!), given the finacial pickle NRK is now in linked to what will assuredly be (at best) massive dilution of the equity, i cannot see the shareholders recovering more than say 50/100p and maybe not even that ...... interestingly, and unless i am much mistaken, a number of institutions have now thought better and sold off their holdings, so perhaps i'm not so dumb after all

Big Al - 19 Oct 2007 17:42 - 765 of 1029

No-one said you are dumb, cynic. Far from it.

cynic - 19 Oct 2007 17:44 - 766 of 1029

too noisy by half in fact ... lol!!

partridge - 19 Oct 2007 18:17 - 767 of 1029

OK Alan consider myself duly reprimanded - blame senility (talking of which, attended RSW AGM last week. Two directors aged 69 and 67, i.e just approaching their best, control over half the company and one impertinent upstart politely inferred that perhaps it was time they went to grow vegetables. As one, the assembled gathering of Victor Meldrew lookalikes rebelled. Most entertaining AGM in years - plus they provided good lunch and factory tour. May add to my holding.)Sorry off topic.

cynic - 20 Oct 2007 10:12 - 768 of 1029

after the disastrous performance on Wall Street and the poor figures from Wachovia, further shorting of NRK on Monday may not be a bad bet ...... but as always hedged with a guaranteed stop

hlyeo98 - 20 Oct 2007 11:32 - 769 of 1029

I will try to short NRK on Monday, cynic. I think this will be a one way slide this time.

cynic - 20 Oct 2007 11:58 - 770 of 1029

but please be careful, though I am sure you will be.

i would like to find some individual shares to short, perhaps in the building or financial sector, or even big oilies where sp may now be a bit over-cooked on the back of (over)high crude prices ...... however, it may be simpler just to short FTSE, which I have done and which is top-heavy in both financials and oils, and perhaps AIM which tends to get hammered in neg markets

cynic - 20 Oct 2007 12:03 - 771 of 1029

AIM does not look possible, but FTSE 250 certainly is

hlyeo98 - 20 Oct 2007 13:59 - 772 of 1029

Those in the building sector are great to short...see my thread - sell property share...I have shorted SGRO and RDW with profit now.

Big Al - 20 Oct 2007 14:30 - 773 of 1029

RDW up Friday on takeover rumours hlyeo98. ;-))

cynic - 20 Oct 2007 16:29 - 774 of 1029

rumour swirling around Redrow in particular, and also Barratt rather less so

hlyeo98 - 21 Oct 2007 07:33 - 775 of 1029

Monday will see these reeling.

aldwickk - 21 Oct 2007 16:23 - 776 of 1029

Cynic,

What do you use to short these, CFD, S/Bet ?

cynic - 21 Oct 2007 17:25 - 777 of 1029

CFD

hlyeo98 - 21 Oct 2007 23:40 - 778 of 1029

Tomorrow will be a profitable day, cynic. Good luck!

cynic - 21 Oct 2007 23:42 - 779 of 1029

at least short NRK and FTSE should offset some of the losses on other stocks

hlyeo98 - 22 Oct 2007 17:48 - 780 of 1029

Great...RDW and SGRO have dropped further.
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